Landlords as the people who rent out places to live to other people are responsible for the house. It’s not raw unimproved land. Houses need to be built. They’re objects with many moving parts, subject to a lot of technical challenges, and code enforcement.

If you allow that object rental has a place in society, I struggle to understand how houses are not ethically the same as renting lawnmowers. You can be a predatory arse or a fair dealer about any rental situation.

Churchill never had to learn plumbing in a rural area of a state because he had to do the work himself because there was nobody to do it for him.

EXCELLENT POINT. “Class status” is not anything objectively measurable. Wealth is.

I aspire to be independent. To be free to do art and sell it without worrying about food or housing.

Bro they are being facetious to make a point

See, that’s an excellent point! But “landlords suck” as a stance doesn’t allow for nuance like “some landlords suck and some tenants are abusive dirtbags”, it paints all tenants as pure victims of a system and all landlords as evil overlords. This lets people who are tenants feel righteous.

I’m trying to point out that “landlords are evil” is a stupid stance because how and why you do things matters. Everything counts in large amounts, and I have had good landlords before. Tenants who have never done their own property maintenance rarely understand what goes into property maintenance.

Someone created the house. The house didn’t grow there organically…

Does this still apply to the apartment building I once lived in which was built and run by an immigrant family as a long term family investment, and they charged a really reasonable price?

Just curious.