Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said in an interview with NBC News that he will encourage progressive voters to still back Democrats on the ticket in November even if moderates are victorious in the primaries.
It’s not a comparison it’s the history of our countries
You’re conflating national and foreign policy…
Not paying taxes gets you in jail and in legal troubles
Why not move to a different country?
Running for a different party does not prevent your ability to win
Yes it does… I’ve already given evidence supporting my argument. You have failed to give any evidence to support yours.
if their actions align with these of a fascist party they are not much anti fascist at all
And the Democrats who have already gone against the party line?
open a thread on asklemmy i’ll gladly provide the best answer i could provide, there is a lot to say on this issue
Lol, avoiding the question again? Why can you answer here? The reason you don’t move is the same reason candidates don’t move to another party. Because it’s hard, and because you don’t really blame yourself for the actions of others, and because you hope you can influence people to change.
exactly, i would argue that voting for someone evil is supporting evil, voting for someone good is doing good.
Again, you really don’t understand the concept of splitting the vote. Which is ironic considering how often you accuse people of falling for propaganda.
US delegitimization of left wing parties, socialism and communism happened and is happening both on national and foreign ground
Yes it does… I’ve already given evidence supporting my argument. You have failed to give any evidence to support yours.
It doesn’t, the evidence is that in a democratic election any party can win
And the Democrats who have already gone against the party line?
I’ve yet to see someone from the democrat party going against the line of using a platform owned by a nazi.
Lol, avoiding the question again? Why can you answer here? The reason you don’t move is the same reason candidates don’t move to another party. Because it’s hard, and because you don’t really blame yourself for the actions of others, and because you hope you can influence people to change.
You are arguing that running with a different political party is as much hard as moving to a different country that doesn’t support israel, i can only conclude that you are arguing in bad faith.
Again, you really don’t understand the concept of splitting the vote. Which is ironic considering how often you accuse people of falling for propaganda.
exercising your right to vote does not equal in splitting the vote, stop spreading the party propaganda.
US delegitimization of left wing parties, socialism and communism happened and is happening both on national and foreign ground
Yes, but there is a difference in how they delegitimize foreign and domestic left winged groups. They don’t have to pull an operation gladio in the US because the system we utilize for voting already makes it near impossible for 3rd parties to succeed cia electorialism.
the evidence is that in a democratic election any party can win
Again, were not a peure democracy, and just because there is a non zero chance they can win doesn’t mean they are likely to win. A one percent chance is not absolute but it might as well be.
I’ve yet to see someone from the democrat party going against the line of using a platform owned by a nazi.
Another non answer.
running with a different political party is as much hard as moving to a different country that doesn’t support israel, i can only conclude that you are arguing in bad faith.
Pot calling the kettle black. You haven’t made a sincere argument this whole time. Plus, literally millions of people have migrated to different countries with less resources that you have as a citizen of a first world nation. There literally isn’t a third party representative in the entire Congress… So yeah, moving to a different country would be easier than a progressive 2rd party candidate to win a seat in Congress. If it was as easy as immigrating it would have already happened by now.
exercising your right to vote does not equal in splitting the vote, stop spreading the party propaganda.
The concept of splitting the vote or the spoiler effect is a part of social choice theory. It’s not an invention of the parties or propaganda, it’s a well studied and known fact of many democratic systems. The parties do know about it and take advantage of it, but usually by supporting spoiler campaigns to split the vote of their opponents.
You just need to educate yourself before you run your mouth about things you obviously don’t know anything about.
Yes, but there is a difference in how they delegitimize foreign and domestic left winged groups. They don’t have to pull an operation gladio in the US because the system we utilize for voting already makes it near impossible for 3rd parties to succeed cia electorialism.
That’s what i’m saying, billions and trillions in propaganda spent in the past and being spent now are helping the government holding a tight grip on power. That doesn’t imply that it’s impossible for a different faction to overthrow the current corrupted and criminal ruling class. Each vote is the one that could start a change and it could be yours.
If it was as easy as immigrating it would have already happened by now.
Yes there are plenty of people running for third parties already because it’s quite easy to do, much easier than moving to another country and starting a life there.
The concept of splitting the vote or the spoiler effect is a part of social choice theory. It’s not an invention of the parties or propaganda
I’m not arguing that the propaganda invented such concept, the propaganda it’s using it as an argument to persuade you not to vote for someone that isn’t the party. You are free to vote for whoever you want, if you think and plan to vote for red and then vote a third party instead you have magically split the vote of the republicans.
The parties do know about it and take advantage of it, but usually by supporting spoiler campaigns to split the vote of their opponents.
If it’s impossible for a third party to win like you say it would be really poor propaganda for red and blue to encourage their detractors to vote for a party that nobody believes can win. A third party becoming popular would attract votes from both red and blue and damage both parties, red and blue have more to gain by encouraging the public to keep voting for them rather than promoting parties that could become a threat for the government.
You’re conflating national and foreign policy…
Why not move to a different country?
Yes it does… I’ve already given evidence supporting my argument. You have failed to give any evidence to support yours.
And the Democrats who have already gone against the party line?
Lol, avoiding the question again? Why can you answer here? The reason you don’t move is the same reason candidates don’t move to another party. Because it’s hard, and because you don’t really blame yourself for the actions of others, and because you hope you can influence people to change.
Again, you really don’t understand the concept of splitting the vote. Which is ironic considering how often you accuse people of falling for propaganda.
US delegitimization of left wing parties, socialism and communism happened and is happening both on national and foreign ground
It doesn’t, the evidence is that in a democratic election any party can win
I’ve yet to see someone from the democrat party going against the line of using a platform owned by a nazi.
You are arguing that running with a different political party is as much hard as moving to a different country that doesn’t support israel, i can only conclude that you are arguing in bad faith.
exercising your right to vote does not equal in splitting the vote, stop spreading the party propaganda.
Yes, but there is a difference in how they delegitimize foreign and domestic left winged groups. They don’t have to pull an operation gladio in the US because the system we utilize for voting already makes it near impossible for 3rd parties to succeed cia electorialism.
Again, were not a peure democracy, and just because there is a non zero chance they can win doesn’t mean they are likely to win. A one percent chance is not absolute but it might as well be.
Another non answer.
Pot calling the kettle black. You haven’t made a sincere argument this whole time. Plus, literally millions of people have migrated to different countries with less resources that you have as a citizen of a first world nation. There literally isn’t a third party representative in the entire Congress… So yeah, moving to a different country would be easier than a progressive 2rd party candidate to win a seat in Congress. If it was as easy as immigrating it would have already happened by now.
The concept of splitting the vote or the spoiler effect is a part of social choice theory. It’s not an invention of the parties or propaganda, it’s a well studied and known fact of many democratic systems. The parties do know about it and take advantage of it, but usually by supporting spoiler campaigns to split the vote of their opponents.
You just need to educate yourself before you run your mouth about things you obviously don’t know anything about.
That’s what i’m saying, billions and trillions in propaganda spent in the past and being spent now are helping the government holding a tight grip on power. That doesn’t imply that it’s impossible for a different faction to overthrow the current corrupted and criminal ruling class. Each vote is the one that could start a change and it could be yours.
Yes there are plenty of people running for third parties already because it’s quite easy to do, much easier than moving to another country and starting a life there.
I’m not arguing that the propaganda invented such concept, the propaganda it’s using it as an argument to persuade you not to vote for someone that isn’t the party. You are free to vote for whoever you want, if you think and plan to vote for red and then vote a third party instead you have magically split the vote of the republicans.
If it’s impossible for a third party to win like you say it would be really poor propaganda for red and blue to encourage their detractors to vote for a party that nobody believes can win. A third party becoming popular would attract votes from both red and blue and damage both parties, red and blue have more to gain by encouraging the public to keep voting for them rather than promoting parties that could become a threat for the government.