• Floon@lemmy.ml
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    15 hours ago

    Again, this is just justifying your moral blindness when you can’t distinguish between kind of evil and really evil. It is not morally good or even neutral to stand back and pretend you have no responsibility for the society you’re in as a result of your participation. Take your sanctimony and have a wank over yourself, but all it does is ensure the worst party is helped.

    A proper take, if you’re interested in actually improving the moral state of society, is to, say, celebrate the victories of guys like El-Sayed and Mamdani, who are Democrats, and to do your most to have the party succeed, so that next time around, you can vote for more far left Democrats, so that eventually the party looks a lot more like Mamdani than it does Schumer or Clinton. That doesn’t happen when privileged puritans sabotage elections because they’re pouty they haven’t already won yet.

    The GOP has been building their full-on fascism machine since Reagan. To beat them, the Dems have to do engage in that same long game, and that’s actually happening now. It’s actually happening, but performative moralists like you act as obstacles to any incremental improvement.

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      15 hours ago

      this is just justifying your moral blindness

      If you can’t see past the party label to the individual policy, that’s definitely an example of blindness

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        13 hours ago

        I can weigh the platforms of each party, see that one (GOP) is significantly worse than the other, and have reasonable expectation of shaping the platform of the superior party (Democratic) for the better. Calling that blindness is to make yourself morally irrelevant.

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          13 hours ago

          I can weigh the platforms of each party

          What good is weighing the party platform when individual Congressmen aren’t bound to it?

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            9 hours ago

            A good leader can whip the votes. Hakeem Jeffries is… not… a good leader.

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            11 hours ago

            What good comes from abandoning reform of a decadent party so weak it can’t even bind it’s members? The campaign war chest, brand name, and entrenched two-party benefits are there for the taking.

            People point to Bernie and complain about his voting or the debacle of his nomination as evidence that the establishment has a stranglehold on the party. The truth is that he’s done more to dismantle their stranglehold than anyone in modern history (yes, more than Trump, the Clintons, Obama or Biden): exposing that the boat can be rocked through the sheer populism of good economic policy.

            We’ve now seen that simply running decent candidates in a similar manner (some farther left) doesn’t just threaten but overpowers them. The concerted effort against Mamdani, El-Sayed, Donavan McKinney and others has had middling-to-miserable results.

            Simply continuing to vote blue when necessary and engage in primary insurgency drains their resources and weakens their grip. Voting with your conscience (read: no strategy) marks you as an “independent”, essentially a non-voter who can be safely ignored. Why bother listening to you when courting even a single red vote is double the value? You have no impact on their internal policies and can’t threaten them in a primary.

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              1 hour ago

              None of this is a compelling argument to vote in the general for a fascist who happens to align with the democratic party.

              Again, I go back to Justice, Fetterman, Cuellar, Newsom, Rahm Emmanuel if he tries to run again. There’s no reason to support any of these people at any stage of the election process for any reason.