A court record reviewed by 404 Media shows privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail handed over payment data related to a Stop Cop City email account to the Swiss government, which handed it to the FBI.
I’m not pretending anything. You’re criticizing their marketing, I’m pointing out the technical reality behind the claims. Those are two different discussions.
Proton’s core claim has always been encrypted email content, not immunity from legal orders. No company operating in a country can ignore the law.
If your argument is that their marketing created unrealistic expectations, that’s a fair criticism. But calling it a “lie” and ignoring how the technology actually works doesn’t make the argument stronger.
I am here saying Proton sucks for X and Y reason. The fact that all Proton can do is blame their users rather than develop more robust practices speaks to the opposite of what got people to buy into their ecosystem to begin with
So this is much more than their marketing. Like any corporation they suck just because they exist. As their ecosystem grows they will increase in price and enshitification will quickly set in. It is inevitable.
Finally their leadership has made so many statements that are frankly so out of touch with reality it isn’t funny. I feel sorry for people that are getting taken advantage of. Proton is just another predatory lying corporation.
This story is yet another example of the damage this company has caused because of their carelessness. Instead of figuring out how not to store this information on their servers they choose to put their users at risk.
There is so much wrong with this company it isn’t funny. I called Telsa and Musk several years ago as garbage and I fully believe Proton is in the same vein.
You’re free to dislike Proton, but most of what you’re describing isn’t unique to them — it’s how any service operating under a legal jurisdiction works. If a company stores payment or account data, a court can compel it. That’s true for Proton, Tuta, Gmail, or anyone else.
Expecting a hosted email provider to somehow eliminate all legal exposure for users just isn’t realistic. If someone needs real anonymity, the solution was never a normal email service in the first place.
Criticizing marketing or leadership is fair. But blaming Proton for the basic limits of hosted services sounds more like anger at the system than a technical critique of the product.
I’m not pretending anything. You’re criticizing their marketing, I’m pointing out the technical reality behind the claims. Those are two different discussions.
Proton’s core claim has always been encrypted email content, not immunity from legal orders. No company operating in a country can ignore the law.
If your argument is that their marketing created unrealistic expectations, that’s a fair criticism. But calling it a “lie” and ignoring how the technology actually works doesn’t make the argument stronger.
I am here saying Proton sucks for X and Y reason. The fact that all Proton can do is blame their users rather than develop more robust practices speaks to the opposite of what got people to buy into their ecosystem to begin with
So this is much more than their marketing. Like any corporation they suck just because they exist. As their ecosystem grows they will increase in price and enshitification will quickly set in. It is inevitable.
Finally their leadership has made so many statements that are frankly so out of touch with reality it isn’t funny. I feel sorry for people that are getting taken advantage of. Proton is just another predatory lying corporation.
This story is yet another example of the damage this company has caused because of their carelessness. Instead of figuring out how not to store this information on their servers they choose to put their users at risk.
There is so much wrong with this company it isn’t funny. I called Telsa and Musk several years ago as garbage and I fully believe Proton is in the same vein.
You’re free to dislike Proton, but most of what you’re describing isn’t unique to them — it’s how any service operating under a legal jurisdiction works. If a company stores payment or account data, a court can compel it. That’s true for Proton, Tuta, Gmail, or anyone else.
Expecting a hosted email provider to somehow eliminate all legal exposure for users just isn’t realistic. If someone needs real anonymity, the solution was never a normal email service in the first place.
Criticizing marketing or leadership is fair. But blaming Proton for the basic limits of hosted services sounds more like anger at the system than a technical critique of the product.