That’s literally the whole “do not say God’s name on vain” thing.
Idiots that couldn’t read the Bible centuries later just thought “God” was what you shouldn’t say, be cause they scrubbed God’s name in the original language from the Bible and Christianity to make it more believable he was the only God and not one of many
The god’s name in vain thing has nothing to do with not saying God’s name. It also doesn’t really mean saying things like “god damn it.” It’s meant to be about not using God as a justification or excuse to do something you want. Throughout history it’s probably the least followed commandment, except for maybe throw shalt not kill.
What’s the evidence of the name being scrubbed? Is it just that the Jews still use Yahweh and Christians don’t usually? I’m curious and would like to have backing if I repeat that at some point.
Yahweh is used to describe God like 7,000 times in the Old testament (written before Christianity by Jews) and used 0 times in the New Testament written by Christians.
Depending bible, all the Yahweh’s may be replaced by the all caps “LORD” because they literally went back and scrubbed the name out to obey “don’t use my name in vain”.
Not sure how good of a source this is but I mean you can literally compare the Old Testament to the Torah and see that it changed:
In actuality, God’s personal name is in your Bible . . . sort of. The editors have chosen not to transliterate God’s name, like they do every other proper name in the Bible, and have instead chosen to replace God’s name, Yahweh, with the upper-case LORD or GOD. That’s right, all 6,828 times God’s personal name Yahweh is written in the Hebrew text of the Old Testament have been replaced with the English LORD or GOD in your English Bible. Let’s look at Psalm 117 as an example.
“Praise the LORD, all nations! Extol him, all peoples! For great is his steadfast love toward us, and the faithfulness of the LORD endures forever. Praise the LORD!”
PSALM 117
The word “LORD” in all upper-case letters is God’s personal name, Yahweh. God’s personal name is used three times in Psalm 117. So, in a way, God’s personal name is in all modern English Bibles; the translators and editors have simply chosen not to transliterate it, but to use the word LORD or GOD instead. Most Bibles explicitly state what they are doing in the preface, but let’s be honest, most people do not read the preface to their Bible.
To be clear I don’t believe any of this stuff, it’s just always bugged me that the biggest modern religious conflict is three groups all praying to the same God they all swear is peaceful, and just constantly killing Innocents over minor details without even realizing it.
So I’ve looked into how they different they really are. And most of the conflict is semantics that no one fighting over actually understands.
I’m a Christian, and I assure you that this is nonsense. I distinctly remember the name Yahweh being used in sermons. Maybe there are branches of Christianity where that’s a thing, but it’s definitely not universal.
“Using God’s name in vain” is generally taken to be about blasphemous cursing, not about using God’s name at all.
The Shahada explicitly mentions that Mohammed is the ‘final’ messenger of God. Also called "Khatam an-Nabiyyin,” usually translated as “Seal of the Prophets.” That phrase comes from the Quran (33:40.) Muslims interpret it to mean he is the last prophet in a long line of prophets.
Muslims often consider what Mohammed said to be the end of the conversation, contrary to numerous prophets that came before him.
So if there’s ‘one’ prophet to ‘go to’, under Islam, Mohammed is the alpha prophet.
Some Muslims don’t even believe Jesus was crucified. Some think there was a substitution.
The abrahamic religions are so dynamic yet the ego(d)centricity remains. You move from a dumb God that gets fooled by Satan chapter after chapter. Getting God to torture his most devout worshippers. Fun.
Then you get Jesus! Praise Jesus! Love each other. The hippy socialist. Flipping tables and feeding the hungry, healing the sick, visiting prisoners, and he even raised the dead occasionally. Truly God in the flesh.
Then you get Allah. A transcendental god. A thing that’s best described not by what it is, but by what it is not.
Then how they go from no after life, aka sheol. To heaven and hell (many mansions, weeping gnashing of teeth). Then you get paradise with 72 virgins, so kind of like Mormonism. Oh wait? You don’t get your own planet and godhood itself? SMH. noob.
How exactly does that work? I’m pretty ignorant of most religions.
I know the Koran came after the Bible and that Moses and Jesus are considered holy. Is Muhammed the ultimate prophet? Can other prophets come later and add to the Koran?
And the (Christian) Bible came after the Talmud, which came after the Tamakh, which came after the Torah, and so on and so on…
Most religions borrow heavily from the ones that came before. Noah’s flood echoes the story of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Islam actually takes an interesting approach to other religious figures. They don’t necessarily deny them, they more absorb them. If someone was truly holy, the must have been a prophet. In the Quran, many figures from the Jewish and Christian bibles are called out as prophets.
Not true at all. I mean sure Muslims don’t pray to Jesus, but they don’t pray to Muhammad either. And when reading the Quran, Jesus is mentioned more than Muhammad’s by name. Mary mother of Jesus is mentioned even more.
Fun fact, Muslims unlike Evangelicals believe Mary was indeed a virgin.
But to understand how important Jesus is to Muslims, just know that when the apocalypse happens in the Quran, it’s Jesus that returns not Muhammad.
None of that changes what I said. He’s not really part of the core of the religion. It’s just like with Judaism and Christianity. The Torah is a big part of the Christian Bible, but the focus and context are vastly different.
The Old Testament is vital to Christianity first of all.
And to Muslims, Muhammad was clarifying the message of Jesus because it had been obscured by centuries of changes done by “men” and “the church”. The teachings of Muhammad to them are the same as the teachings of Jesus. And of Moses, and Abraham.
They don’t see Mohammad as inherently more worthy than Jesus, or Moses or Abraham. They are all equally prophets. I mean they even see Jesus as more special than Mohammad in many ways cause like I said they believe in the virgin birth. They believe God literally made Jesus in Mary’s womb.
And there are PLENTY of Jesus quotes in the Quran. Like full on teachings of Jesus.
The Christian Jesus is literally god. The Quran changed that to just a prophet, that’s a significant change. That’s pretty similar to how the Christian Bible treats the old testament, it’s part of it, but the new testament recontextualizes it to be something different than the Jewish Torah.
Muslims would say that the view that Jesus is literally God is one of the distortions in the Bible. That idea is actually pretty late, becoming orthodoxy only centuries after Jesus.
And the Old Testament is not recontextualized. It’s just the Torah. The idea that Jesus’ message was fundamentally different from Judaism is also a pretty late development. Something Muslims also say is a distortion of the Bible from the original message of Jesus.
And the Old Testament is not recontextualized. It’s just the Torah
Technically they removed every “Yahweh” in most English versions of the Bible when they turned the Torah into the Old Testament. They just replaced it with “LORD” or “GOD”.
It’s the one major change, because Christians weren’t supposed to use God’s name. Spelled Yahweh in the Torah and Allah in the Quran.
And as a result a shit ton of people who consider themselves experts in their own religion, don’t understand it’s all the same God all the Abrahmic religions pray to.
Similar with Jesus, who is called Isa in the Quran.
You know Jesus is a prophet to Muslims right?
The confusion is language.
In the Quran, he’s called Isa and is mentioned over 30 times.
Same way Allah refers to the same God Judaism calls Yahweh and Christians aren’t supposed to say aloud because they treat God like Voldemort.
I think it’s Jews who can’t say Yahweh. Christians certainly can.
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Judaism = Yahweh
Islam = Allah
Christianity = “Do not say my name, just say God”
That’s literally the whole “do not say God’s name on vain” thing.
Idiots that couldn’t read the Bible centuries later just thought “God” was what you shouldn’t say, be cause they scrubbed God’s name in the original language from the Bible and Christianity to make it more believable he was the only God and not one of many
The god’s name in vain thing has nothing to do with not saying God’s name. It also doesn’t really mean saying things like “god damn it.” It’s meant to be about not using God as a justification or excuse to do something you want. Throughout history it’s probably the least followed commandment, except for maybe throw shalt not kill.
What’s the evidence of the name being scrubbed? Is it just that the Jews still use Yahweh and Christians don’t usually? I’m curious and would like to have backing if I repeat that at some point.
Yahweh is used to describe God like 7,000 times in the Old testament (written before Christianity by Jews) and used 0 times in the New Testament written by Christians.
Depending bible, all the Yahweh’s may be replaced by the all caps “LORD” because they literally went back and scrubbed the name out to obey “don’t use my name in vain”.
Not sure how good of a source this is but I mean you can literally compare the Old Testament to the Torah and see that it changed:
https://biblicalculture.com/why-is-gods-name-not-in-the-bible/
To be clear I don’t believe any of this stuff, it’s just always bugged me that the biggest modern religious conflict is three groups all praying to the same God they all swear is peaceful, and just constantly killing Innocents over minor details without even realizing it.
So I’ve looked into how they different they really are. And most of the conflict is semantics that no one fighting over actually understands.
I’m a Christian, and I assure you that this is nonsense. I distinctly remember the name Yahweh being used in sermons. Maybe there are branches of Christianity where that’s a thing, but it’s definitely not universal.
“Using God’s name in vain” is generally taken to be about blasphemous cursing, not about using God’s name at all.
Name…
Your God…
His name…
Note the words “in vain”.
The Shahada explicitly mentions that Mohammed is the ‘final’ messenger of God. Also called "Khatam an-Nabiyyin,” usually translated as “Seal of the Prophets.” That phrase comes from the Quran (33:40.) Muslims interpret it to mean he is the last prophet in a long line of prophets.
Muslims often consider what Mohammed said to be the end of the conversation, contrary to numerous prophets that came before him.
So if there’s ‘one’ prophet to ‘go to’, under Islam, Mohammed is the alpha prophet.
Some Muslims don’t even believe Jesus was crucified. Some think there was a substitution.
The abrahamic religions are so dynamic yet the ego(d)centricity remains. You move from a dumb God that gets fooled by Satan chapter after chapter. Getting God to torture his most devout worshippers. Fun.
Then you get Jesus! Praise Jesus! Love each other. The hippy socialist. Flipping tables and feeding the hungry, healing the sick, visiting prisoners, and he even raised the dead occasionally. Truly God in the flesh.
Then you get Allah. A transcendental god. A thing that’s best described not by what it is, but by what it is not.
Then how they go from no after life, aka sheol. To heaven and hell (many mansions, weeping gnashing of teeth). Then you get paradise with 72 virgins, so kind of like Mormonism. Oh wait? You don’t get your own planet and godhood itself? SMH. noob.
Serious.
How exactly does that work? I’m pretty ignorant of most religions.
I know the Koran came after the Bible and that Moses and Jesus are considered holy. Is Muhammed the ultimate prophet? Can other prophets come later and add to the Koran?
And the (Christian) Bible came after the Talmud, which came after the Tamakh, which came after the Torah, and so on and so on…
Most religions borrow heavily from the ones that came before. Noah’s flood echoes the story of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Islam actually takes an interesting approach to other religious figures. They don’t necessarily deny them, they more absorb them. If someone was truly holy, the must have been a prophet. In the Quran, many figures from the Jewish and Christian bibles are called out as prophets.
It’s more of an academic point than anything that has actual effect on day to day religious activity.
Not true at all. I mean sure Muslims don’t pray to Jesus, but they don’t pray to Muhammad either. And when reading the Quran, Jesus is mentioned more than Muhammad’s by name. Mary mother of Jesus is mentioned even more.
Fun fact, Muslims unlike Evangelicals believe Mary was indeed a virgin.
But to understand how important Jesus is to Muslims, just know that when the apocalypse happens in the Quran, it’s Jesus that returns not Muhammad.
None of that changes what I said. He’s not really part of the core of the religion. It’s just like with Judaism and Christianity. The Torah is a big part of the Christian Bible, but the focus and context are vastly different.
Not a good example at all.
The Old Testament is vital to Christianity first of all.
And to Muslims, Muhammad was clarifying the message of Jesus because it had been obscured by centuries of changes done by “men” and “the church”. The teachings of Muhammad to them are the same as the teachings of Jesus. And of Moses, and Abraham.
They don’t see Mohammad as inherently more worthy than Jesus, or Moses or Abraham. They are all equally prophets. I mean they even see Jesus as more special than Mohammad in many ways cause like I said they believe in the virgin birth. They believe God literally made Jesus in Mary’s womb.
And there are PLENTY of Jesus quotes in the Quran. Like full on teachings of Jesus.
The Christian Jesus is literally god. The Quran changed that to just a prophet, that’s a significant change. That’s pretty similar to how the Christian Bible treats the old testament, it’s part of it, but the new testament recontextualizes it to be something different than the Jewish Torah.
Muslims would say that the view that Jesus is literally God is one of the distortions in the Bible. That idea is actually pretty late, becoming orthodoxy only centuries after Jesus.
And the Old Testament is not recontextualized. It’s just the Torah. The idea that Jesus’ message was fundamentally different from Judaism is also a pretty late development. Something Muslims also say is a distortion of the Bible from the original message of Jesus.
Technically they removed every “Yahweh” in most English versions of the Bible when they turned the Torah into the Old Testament. They just replaced it with “LORD” or “GOD”.
It’s the one major change, because Christians weren’t supposed to use God’s name. Spelled Yahweh in the Torah and Allah in the Quran.
And as a result a shit ton of people who consider themselves experts in their own religion, don’t understand it’s all the same God all the Abrahmic religions pray to.
Similar with Jesus, who is called Isa in the Quran.
Thank you.