• 13igTyme@piefed.social
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    3 hours ago

    Oh look. Yet another article post primary election to convince people not to vote so the Republican wins the general election.

    If you don’t vote you’re a moron.

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        2 hours ago

        If this article was before the primaries it would be more helpful and get the right people elected.

        Since this article came out after the primaries and two months before the general it serves only one purpose.

        And it appears your dumbass is taking the bait.

        “I’m not voting because no candidate is perfect and I’ll let the party that views me as property win.” - your dumbass, without a doubt.

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          I never said I wouldn’t vote for the Democrats if I could, the article doesn’t say you shouldn’t either, just that the author personnaly wouldn’t

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            1 hour ago

            The article doesn’t need to say it. The author said it and implies other should via the context of the article itself.

            This is the type of shit that makes idiots not vote.

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        I’m sure the Republican opponents in these states will be much better for Trans rights.

        In fact, if we just allow another Republican majority in the legislative branch, they’ll probably just fix the whole thing.

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          I never called to vote for Republicans, I didn’t even say you shouldn’t vote for those Democrats and neither does the article.

          All the article says is that those Democrats are transphobic and that the author, and that’s only his view, wouldn’t vote for them. I, myself would probably vote for them if I could vote in the US, but I can still understand why the author wouldn’t.

          If there was an election between Hitler and Stalin, would you have voted for either one because he was slightly less worse than the other one? I personally wouldn’t have, if that is your case too then clearly there is a point where a candidate can be so bad you wouldn’t even vote for them if their opponent is worse, that threshold is just different for everyone

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            This article does argue for abstaining, it’s literally the entire point of writing this article just before midterms:

            Many, myself included, have argued against voting for the worst offenders on this list even where it means a Republican takes the seat. A Republican victory costs the community one seat for one term.

            And it’s such a fucking idiotic take.

            It’s an article calling out politicians for their answers on “gotcha questions” like ‘do you want biological males playing women’s sports’

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              It’s interesting you quote that without showing the previous sentence

              What you do with this information is up to you.

              Also, these politicians didn’t just answer poorly to gotcha question, they actively helped pass bills that took away the rights of trans people

              Shomari Figures and Terri Sewell […] Voted yes [for a bill] banning gender-affirming care for transgender service members

              Mary Peltola […] One of only six Democrats to vote for [a bill] which contained severe anti-trans and anti-DEI amendments.

              Adam Gray […] One of only three Democrats to vote for a bathroom ban on military bases for transgender people, along with a sports ban, a gender-affirming care ban, and several other anti-trans amendments to the NDAA.

              Should I keep going or do you think all these bills that marginalize trans people were only “gotcha questions”?

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    So tired of seeing my congressperson on every one of these lists. I voted against them in the primary, but in the general election my other choice will be someone who openly supports Trump.

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    It’s not an anti-trans Democrat. It’s a Republican who ran as Democrat

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      Which ones?

      Most of these states will never elect a progressive Dem (as proven by the primaries over and over again). Someone left of center is far better than a Republican.

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          Okay, so which of the Dems named here are Republicans running as Democrats? I just want to look up the rest of their policies.

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            If you don’t know by now, what’s the point in me telling you? It’s over.

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    Democrats only care about the marginalized as far as it keeps them in power. They say idle while Republicans passed over 500 anti trans laws across the country. They talk a big game while they throw the game to Republicans

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      Democrats only care about the marginalized as far as it keeps them in power

      Most of the Democratic party is a lot better than this, but we do need to do a much better job of kicking shitheads out

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    Stupid advice. Post primary season, vote for the democrat, no matter who, because as hideous as some of them are, they’re better than the republican alternative, and we’re voting to take back the majority.

    Think of the big picture.

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      The VBNMW crowd got us to where we are. Despite liberals wildest fantasies the DNC is a right wing party that continues to shift further to the right with every VBNMW vote. You’ve taught them they can do whatever they want, pass the most opppressive laws, and you will keep coming back

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        If you believe democrats are a right wing party you’re delusional… Could they be more left? yes, but they’re hardly right wing…if they were, republicans wouldn’t vilify them quite as much…

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          Objectively they are a right wing party, you are a right wing country, nothing overtly left wing is allowed to exist. You might have a handful of policies that are vaguely reminiscent of left wing policies, but the reality is you have a right wing party and an extremely right wing party.

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            NYC’s mayor Mamdani is probably the single biggest step forward… If he can make it work, and demonstrate that it works, it’s going to be easier to advocate across the country. That being said, NYC has a HUGE tax revenue base that most places don’t have. it’s easy to have all the public programs when you have the tax base to pay for it… Shithole Arkansas is not going to be able to pull that off… There aren’t enough millionaires to tax to pay the bill.

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          That seems wrong. They’re the only other major party, Republicans have to go after Democrats regardless of how close they are on whatever specific issues. Otherwise who else would they run against?

          But also, if you think Republicans are acting reasonably in the first place…

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          Come on, you know the democrats are constantly trying republican lite plateforms. Then say ‘see I’m not as crazy as them!’

          It’s like you didn’t read the article at all, the point is yes, MAGAts are awful, but they are temporary. If we allow the dnc to abandon people then there is nobody for those people.

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          in European politics they would be considered right wing. in USA I guess they should count more as centrist

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            They are centrist in the US…but the way our system is built makes it a 2-party system by default… Until we get either ranked-choice-voting nationwide or a complete remake into a parlimentary system, it’s not going to change.

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      Think of the big picture.

      This is the big picture. If we allow them to capitulate on human rights, there is no coming back from that.

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        The correct response to knowing Chamberlain is going to appease Hitler is probably not appointing a literal Nazi as prime minister.

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      they’re better than the republican alternative

      Except they aren’t if you’re trans.

      The people who really need advice aren’t voters, it’s the professional political consultant morons who are allowing their own candidates to throw away voters like this. Besides being morally abominable, it’s just bad politics.

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        You think the MAGA candidate is better?

        Pick the least bad…that’s the only way we get better. Vindman is my rep and he’s absolutely useless, but he’s better than ANY of the republican alternatives in much the same way “Zero” is a bigger number than a negative.

        And I’m voting for taking the majority, which right now is all that counts - the longer MAGA holds the majority, the harder it will be to ever recover.

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          What I think doesn’t really matter. Big picture, you’re asking trans people and their allies to be active participants in their own dehumanization, and that’s just not going to happen at the numbers you need to reliably win elections so we’ll just be back into a fascism crisis in one or two elections again at best with these kind of candidates.

          The only way things get better is if the least bad party gets better, both so they actually try to make things better and so that they do a better job keeping fascists out of office, so I hope for every comment people make telling voters what they need to do and think they’re writing five to their lawmakers telling them to stop being such a hard product to sell.

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            It doesn’t matter. I’ve given up trying to help the world. Pulled back all political donations, Bought a big gas-guzzling muscle-car and stopped caring about living into my 70’s. The world is in their hands now… This is the world they failed to vote for.

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          I vote for the least bad every election. We don’t get better, we just get worse slower. I don’t have a better alternative though, it’s all pretty hopeless.

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            I gave up in 2024…when 7 million people who voted for Biden failed to show the fuck up to vote against Trump, I took that as my cue that it’s fucking hopeless. I bought a gas-guzzling monster and stopped giving a shit about my cholesterol and blood-pressure… Fuck the world if this is how it works.

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        Which one of these people are the same as their republican opposition if you’re Trans? Be specific.

        Republicans will legitimately support making their medical treatment illegal at the federal level. If they win again, will probably support imprisoning or executing trans people, they are subhuman to the republican party.

        While their Democrat counterpart might stop them from playing highschool sports.

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          Oh, if the Dems are only going to trample on some of my rights, I guess that’s okay.

          Have you not seen what’s happened in the UK in the last few years? That’s the playbook. Their center-left party realized that every time they take away another right from the trans community, they get more support from conservatives and only lose support with trans people that they want to exclude anyway. Transphobic Democrats will steer the party into doing the same thing here if they can.

          That said, this article should’ve come out months ago. The best way to kick transphobes out of the party is to primary them, not let them lose in the general.

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      It’s over for the US. The important election was 2016 and we didnt even know it. I think it’s just best if America settles into its new role as third world Nazi country.

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        Except a) we still have the biggest nuclear arsenal on the planet, b) there really is no settling with fascists, they will keep genociding and invading and stirring shit up until enough people finally get sick of them and put it to a stop

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          US ain’t nuking anyone (maybe itself). The world is gonna let the US rot from the inside out and everyone will easily transition to another ally.

          No thing on earth is irreplaceable. US is just getting replaced.

          I think they should just go full on crazy to thin that lead poisoned herd they have. Maybe a civil war is the answer. With like, 80% casualties.

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        I mean, you’re not wrong…I thought we had a chance when 2020 came and Biden turned it around for a bit… but then people gave up… Yeah, he was old…but you know what? He was old and sane, unlike the psychotic fossil we have now…

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            From everything I’ve read about him he was a kind, caring, giving individual who cared deeply for this country. I’ve seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

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              Rich people sure do have a way of making themselves look good. How many bombs did he drop?

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                Every president drops bombs… That’s gone on since the beginning of time… But some are more judicious about HOW they’re dropped (and where) and some just let shit fly…

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    We had this same discussion in 2024. The ‘don’t vote for democrats’ crowd got what they wanted.