Last year I saw a stage play about Gene Wilder. The actor playing Wilder, Jonathan Randell
Silver, bore a passing visual resemblance to him, helped along by a good hair and makeup job, but also sounded and behaved very like him. Silver had obviously studied Wilder’s mannerisms and choices, both in Wilder’s iconic roles and in Wilder’s own persona from interviews and such, and Silver’s performance in the play really evoked Wilder on a very effective level whether it was recreating some of Wilder’s famous comedy bits and characters or portraying the real Wilder behind the scenes. This was an actor who understood the role, and used real human choices and talent to create his performance.
There are countless talented actors and impressionists who could have recreated Wilder’s Wonka on a human level and given a genuine performance with a real soul behind it. The use of low-effort AI slop instead was a deliberate choice here, and it falls to the viewing public to accept this or not.
Also, this is a fucking game show. They are digitally defiling a beloved corpse for a fucking game show.
Sounds great, but it would cost slightly more and then the people higher up the chain would have slightly less money. so this is why we have to set the culture and arts on fire to turn this giant money machine on.
Any idea where I could watch a recording? I didn’t know anything about this show and would love to see it. I could find small clips and excerpts but could find the whole show anywhere
Yeah it does. It can work just fine. Just because you have that opinion doesn’t mean it’s true. I also have a background in performing arts if we just want to appeal to authority…
But I’ve personally seen several recordings of live shows that were pretty good representations of the show itself. For a recent example, the recording of Hadestown with the orginal cast is pretty solid and I quite enjoyed it even after seeing the live show previously.
I’ve also seen the Hadestown Netflix- and Hamilton, and I grew up watching the Cats original recording on VHS.
Although they’re entirely passable, they aren’t as good as movie-musicals (examples - Singing in the Rain, The Muppets 2011, Mary Poppins, West Side Story, Hairspray, Wicked) or as good as the live shows.
Although they’re entirely passable, they aren’t as good as movie-musicals
Watching a live performance is going to have a different energy obviously. But seeing it recorded is still better than never seeing it at all.
The “art is ephemeral” is pure art school nonsense and 99% of the time ends up being turning into “art for the elite that can afford it.” I thought it was silly in art school 30 years ago and have had 30 years to think about why I still think it’s silly. It’s one of those buttons for me that, when I see it, I have a really hard time not being harsh to the person regurgitating the sentiment.
It’s like asking what about tennis vs soccer - they’re different things with different contexts, seasons (of sorts) and contexts. I’d pick a new Chris Nolan movie over a community production of Hedda Gabler, I’d pick a professional production of a new Martin McDonagh play over the latest Marvel superhero flick. I’d pick almost anything over recorded theatre with few exceptions.
It was a small production at an Off-Broadway theatre, so I don’t believe any full filmed production of it has been published, but maybe someone will remount a production sometime. It was a very good show.
Off topic question but is your username a reference to the Marx Brother’s movie Duck Soup’s Rufus T Firefly character? I know it’s not quite the same name but close enough to name me raise an eyebrow.
I assume the eyebrow you’re raising is painted on. 🥸
And yes, you’re correct. Short version of the story: I’m a lifelong Marx Brothers fan and I used “Rufus T. Firefly” as a screenname for a bit back in the 1990s before deciding I wanted to use something a little more “me,” changing the first name to my given one, and dropping the period after the T.
That’s awesome! I don’t think I’ve seen a Marx Brothers reference outside of very surface level Groucho, Harpo, or Chico. I used Zeppo as a internet handle for a long time. Really cool, and kind of excited, to see someone else that’s a fan!
Last year I saw a stage play about Gene Wilder. The actor playing Wilder, Jonathan Randell Silver, bore a passing visual resemblance to him, helped along by a good hair and makeup job, but also sounded and behaved very like him. Silver had obviously studied Wilder’s mannerisms and choices, both in Wilder’s iconic roles and in Wilder’s own persona from interviews and such, and Silver’s performance in the play really evoked Wilder on a very effective level whether it was recreating some of Wilder’s famous comedy bits and characters or portraying the real Wilder behind the scenes. This was an actor who understood the role, and used real human choices and talent to create his performance.
There are countless talented actors and impressionists who could have recreated Wilder’s Wonka on a human level and given a genuine performance with a real soul behind it. The use of low-effort AI slop instead was a deliberate choice here, and it falls to the viewing public to accept this or not.
Also, this is a fucking game show. They are digitally defiling a beloved corpse for a fucking game show.
Sounds great, but it would cost slightly more and then the people higher up the chain would have slightly less money. so this is why we have to set the culture and arts on fire to turn this giant money machine on.
Any idea where I could watch a recording? I didn’t know anything about this show and would love to see it. I could find small clips and excerpts but could find the whole show anywhere
As a theatre artist myself - part of the fun of doing live performance is the ephemeral, never-to-be-repeated part. Recorded theatre never works.
Yeah it does. It can work just fine. Just because you have that opinion doesn’t mean it’s true. I also have a background in performing arts if we just want to appeal to authority…
But I’ve personally seen several recordings of live shows that were pretty good representations of the show itself. For a recent example, the recording of Hadestown with the orginal cast is pretty solid and I quite enjoyed it even after seeing the live show previously.
I’ve also seen the Hadestown Netflix- and Hamilton, and I grew up watching the Cats original recording on VHS.
Although they’re entirely passable, they aren’t as good as movie-musicals (examples - Singing in the Rain, The Muppets 2011, Mary Poppins, West Side Story, Hairspray, Wicked) or as good as the live shows.
Is not the same as:
Watching a live performance is going to have a different energy obviously. But seeing it recorded is still better than never seeing it at all.
The “art is ephemeral” is pure art school nonsense and 99% of the time ends up being turning into “art for the elite that can afford it.” I thought it was silly in art school 30 years ago and have had 30 years to think about why I still think it’s silly. It’s one of those buttons for me that, when I see it, I have a really hard time not being harsh to the person regurgitating the sentiment.
Given the choice of a recorded theatre or live theatre id pick live theatre.
Given the choice of a movie or recorded theatre I’d pick a movie.
And I think that’s the nail in the coffin for me.
Okay, but what about movie vs live theatre?
It’s like asking what about tennis vs soccer - they’re different things with different contexts, seasons (of sorts) and contexts. I’d pick a new Chris Nolan movie over a community production of Hedda Gabler, I’d pick a professional production of a new Martin McDonagh play over the latest Marvel superhero flick. I’d pick almost anything over recorded theatre with few exceptions.
It was a small production at an Off-Broadway theatre, so I don’t believe any full filmed production of it has been published, but maybe someone will remount a production sometime. It was a very good show.
Off topic question but is your username a reference to the Marx Brother’s movie Duck Soup’s Rufus T Firefly character? I know it’s not quite the same name but close enough to name me raise an eyebrow.
I assume the eyebrow you’re raising is painted on. 🥸
And yes, you’re correct. Short version of the story: I’m a lifelong Marx Brothers fan and I used “Rufus T. Firefly” as a screenname for a bit back in the 1990s before deciding I wanted to use something a little more “me,” changing the first name to my given one, and dropping the period after the T.
Thanks for your curiosity!
That’s awesome! I don’t think I’ve seen a Marx Brothers reference outside of very surface level Groucho, Harpo, or Chico. I used Zeppo as a internet handle for a long time. Really cool, and kind of excited, to see someone else that’s a fan!