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    I’d argue that the government itself has been in revolt against the constitution since when Gingrich took over Congress, but a valid argument can be made for it starting with Reagan

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      In my opinion it was the creation of the CIA, and Nixon was the last nail in the coffin… with Reagan as a result.

      Once you have “black budgets” with no transparency, it’s over… it’s just a matter of time, as it grows exponentially every budget.

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        I agree. This starts with Nixon and Ford giving a pardon was a huge mistake. The US needs to have a president actually go down. Until then, it’s really a dictatorship.

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      i even know a lot of people who cite Nixon as where our constitutional collapse started. laws only matter if they’re obeyed

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        It started with Andrew Johnson.

        I’m not making a joke. You can’t have people go to war against the U.S. from within the U.S. and then not hold the wealthy elites who led it accountable.

        Since the Civil War, the rebels and their descendants have continued to try to destroy the U.S. and their efforts have finally reached the tipping point.

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          i don’t disagree. the american civil war is the tent pole event through which all other analysis of american history needs to be analyzed. certain lefty folks will tell you it’s the great depression but i think that’s fundamentally just examining american history through the lens of when the poverty of the southern tidewater finally reached the northern cities. yes, brown and black people were hit harder by the great depression, so the great depression is still a useful tent pole, however the missing context of why brown and black people didn’t have as many protections from poverty is very important, and that reason is that by not enforcing reckoning against the wealthy elites who enacted the civil war to continue owning people, every enforcement of poverty in the tidewater was allowed to repeat

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        That’s another starting spot I don’t disagree with, there’s a lot of through lines that could be traced back even to things like the business plot or even the founding of the John Birch Society

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          WILSOONNNN!!!

          Edit: The Insurrection and Sedition Act of 1913. That, and a few other key policies of The Wilson administration, led directly to The Business Plot of 1933, who idiotically chose Brigadier General Smedley Butler to lead the coup.

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            And who was involved with both Nazis and the business plot?

            Prescott Bush, father of George H. W. Bush who would become head of the CIA before being vice- and then president. Grandfather of George Bush who would be president after a controversial election was handed to him by SCOTUS and would preside over the US during 9-11 and the massive stripping of rights that the Patriot act and others accomplished in the name of security.

            But I’m sure none of any of that relates.

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      “But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”

      ― Lysander Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority