What the fuck are you trying to advocate for here, materially speaking? That men can and/or should rape women on US navy ships? I don’t want to put words in your mouth but that is what it sounds like.
I’m not defending the crimes this woman helped perpetrate, I’m asking what material actions you are advocating for.
For example, I believe that the rapist should be punished, this woman needs help with the resulting PTSD, and the entire military needs to be dismantled with appropriate punishments for all involved. Requiring them to do labor rebuilding countries they destroyed would be a good start, with harsher punishment for people doing actual war crimes themselves.
Killing active-duty US military members to prevent them from engaging in their usual war crimes is OK because it serves a clear goal (incapacitate the soldier, deter other soldiers from joining).
Raping active-duty US military members is not OK because it does not serve any goal, she has PTSD now but that won’t stop her from doing more work for the military, and it does nothing to deter men from joining the military (if anything it may be a more enticing proposition for some of them)
The question is not whether or not someone “deserved” something, it is “which material outcome do we want to achieve”.
It seems the material outcome you want to achieve is terrible suffering for women in US military, not the prevention of war crimes by US military. While understandable that you want to hurt people like that, it’s not helpful at all.
You are once again completely ignoring the material reality and instead focusing on whether or not that woman “deserved” to be raped (that phrase has terrible connotations btw, this whole thread needs a large CW on it).
Whether or not someone deserves something is basically emotional and thus idealist, but its material roots are in the total social advantage of giving out a benefit or punishment to a given person. Therefore this is the angle we should take.
If we examine the material outcomes resulting from an active US military member being raped by a colleague, there is very little positive results there. For the victim, trauma does not prevent one from being violent and aggressive, if anything it exacerbates it. The perpetrator meanwhile will be enabled and mentally prepared for even more atrocities against their other victims. For everyone else, it normalizes a horrible behavior that has no place in society.
Then again, even form an idealist angle, I don’t think anyone deserves to be raped. Unlike killing, it is never a valid method of defense, because it requires that the target is already overpowered by the perpetrator. It does not serve any possible function other than satisfying the sexual/sadistic/controlling desires of the perpetrator at the expense of the victim.
What “deserved” are you talking about? She joined the rape force and got raped by her own rape force. Did someone but her own rape force rape her? I didn’t say you should go and rape the woman. I said she received what she signed up to do to others.
It also serves as terrorism. Everyone else hears about the r*pe and has to think “that could happen to me” and that’s the point. That’s why Palestinian prisoners are SAed. It’s not just about humiliation and control, it’s about sending a message.
But terrorism has blowback. Now it’s being inflicted on civilian collaborators, when before it was only inflicted on enemies.
And that blowback keeps coming. These rapists will come home and r*pe us, too. There’s a chain of cause and effect.
Without doing any reverse image searching outside of my own memory its either a zionist standing over a Palestinian teenager or a Guantanamo ‘guard’ posing next to someone from whichever middle eastern country america was dropping depleted uranium shells on at the time.
Jesus dude, really? We’re aware of the horrors of the empire, you really don’t have to post these sorts of things if it’s not strictly the topic at hand.
Yeah, I’m actually quite aware, I’ve seen some footage of some really rough shit. Assuming someone else doesn’t value human life because of something as pointless as skin color or location isn’t okay to do; I’m on .ml, of all places. Do you really think I think like that?
Genuine question, if you’re acting in good faith- are you doing okay? I don’t say this to be rude, but the way you’re behaving in this thread is quite anti-social and I have concern for my fellow netizen.
Genuine question, if you’re acting in good faith- are you doing okay? I don’t say this to be rude, but the way you’re behaving in this thread is quite anti-social and I have concern for my fellow netizen.
She was just a woman serving in the rape-terror forces. She doesn’t deserve the stuff she’s doing to brown untermenschen in the third world.
Have you ever heard the saying two wrongs don’t make it right?
What the fuck are you trying to advocate for here, materially speaking? That men can and/or should rape women on US navy ships? I don’t want to put words in your mouth but that is what it sounds like.
All the “leopard ate my face” liberals come running to defend their favorite Fascist troops.
Answer their question your fucking coward.
I’m not defending the crimes this woman helped perpetrate, I’m asking what material actions you are advocating for.
For example, I believe that the rapist should be punished, this woman needs help with the resulting PTSD, and the entire military needs to be dismantled with appropriate punishments for all involved. Requiring them to do labor rebuilding countries they destroyed would be a good start, with harsher punishment for people doing actual war crimes themselves.
What about you?
If an ISIS militant gets killed do you also go “well they totally didn’t deserve that”?
Killing active-duty US military members to prevent them from engaging in their usual war crimes is OK because it serves a clear goal (incapacitate the soldier, deter other soldiers from joining).
Raping active-duty US military members is not OK because it does not serve any goal, she has PTSD now but that won’t stop her from doing more work for the military, and it does nothing to deter men from joining the military (if anything it may be a more enticing proposition for some of them)
The question is not whether or not someone “deserved” something, it is “which material outcome do we want to achieve”.
It seems the material outcome you want to achieve is terrible suffering for women in US military, not the prevention of war crimes by US military. While understandable that you want to hurt people like that, it’s not helpful at all.
Who raped her but the rape-terror forces she joined herself?
This is peak leapardsatemyface and you’re out here saying the person didn’t deserve to have their face eaten by a leopard.
Just women? What kind of sexist are you?
You are once again completely ignoring the material reality and instead focusing on whether or not that woman “deserved” to be raped (that phrase has terrible connotations btw, this whole thread needs a large CW on it).
Whether or not someone deserves something is basically emotional and thus idealist, but its material roots are in the total social advantage of giving out a benefit or punishment to a given person. Therefore this is the angle we should take.
If we examine the material outcomes resulting from an active US military member being raped by a colleague, there is very little positive results there. For the victim, trauma does not prevent one from being violent and aggressive, if anything it exacerbates it. The perpetrator meanwhile will be enabled and mentally prepared for even more atrocities against their other victims. For everyone else, it normalizes a horrible behavior that has no place in society.
Then again, even form an idealist angle, I don’t think anyone deserves to be raped. Unlike killing, it is never a valid method of defense, because it requires that the target is already overpowered by the perpetrator. It does not serve any possible function other than satisfying the sexual/sadistic/controlling desires of the perpetrator at the expense of the victim.
What “deserved” are you talking about? She joined the rape force and got raped by her own rape force. Did someone but her own rape force rape her? I didn’t say you should go and rape the woman. I said she received what she signed up to do to others.
It also serves as terrorism. Everyone else hears about the r*pe and has to think “that could happen to me” and that’s the point. That’s why Palestinian prisoners are SAed. It’s not just about humiliation and control, it’s about sending a message.
But terrorism has blowback. Now it’s being inflicted on civilian collaborators, when before it was only inflicted on enemies.
And that blowback keeps coming. These rapists will come home and r*pe us, too. There’s a chain of cause and effect.
That’s not an image of her.
Who is it an image of?
Without doing any reverse image searching outside of my own memory its either a zionist standing over a Palestinian teenager or a Guantanamo ‘guard’ posing next to someone from whichever middle eastern country america was dropping depleted uranium shells on at the time.
Ding ding we have a winner!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Harman
Jesus dude, really? We’re aware of the horrors of the empire, you really don’t have to post these sorts of things if it’s not strictly the topic at hand.
Are you aware? You sure don’t seem to be since you’re so empathic towards it. Or let me guess those brown people piled up there aren’t human to you
Yeah, I’m actually quite aware, I’ve seen some footage of some really rough shit. Assuming someone else doesn’t value human life because of something as pointless as skin color or location isn’t okay to do; I’m on .ml, of all places. Do you really think I think like that?
Genuine question, if you’re acting in good faith- are you doing okay? I don’t say this to be rude, but the way you’re behaving in this thread is quite anti-social and I have concern for my fellow netizen.
Genuine question, if you’re acting in good faith- are you doing okay? I don’t say this to be rude, but the way you’re behaving in this thread is quite anti-social and I have concern for my fellow netizen.
In human words, please explain how that woman’s actions justify any of what you have said.