Americans are backing progressives not because they want socialism, but because they want candidates who will fight for the working class
Dropout has a point.
Americans are backing progressives not because they want socialism, but because they want candidates who will fight for the working class
Dropout has a point.
When capitalism fails the majority of the citizens the citizens will vote for socialism. This is literally Marxism.
Earlier America capitalists were aware of this and pushed capitalist values while instituting social programs to ensure the free market stays fair and that citizens are taken care of so that socialism never looks interesting.
Right now the capitalists have forgotten this warning have decided to go full theft and consolidation, so the people are turning to anything that will give them a chance.
Socialism isn’t going to be better, and I wish the elites would recognize they need to give up a lot more of what they have to maintain a semblance of capitalism because the alternative is pitchforks, hangings, and forced redistributions with a different type of corruption at the top.
History has already run all of these experiments before, the problem as I see it is the elites of our time, like elites of the past, think they are above history. They aren’t, and like many times prior in history their arrogance will harm everyone.
I thought maybe the last 100 years we were building institutions that could begin to break this cycle but sadly people die and new people without the knowledge emerge and start pounding chests.
It’s so sad to me sometimes.
I’ve heard this sea change largely attributed to the fall of the Soviet Union, which removed any pressure to continue selling capitalism to the masses.
That’s an interesting theory, it says the US has become the victim of its own success.
Socialism is going to be better tho.
It could be, but I have yet to see historical evidence of it being better.
All systems come with trade offs, but I really worry about fully planned economies being really fragile.
Having social programs and guardrails capitalism is probably the best system. You make sure people are treated with dignity and are taken care of, but you provide mechanisms for bad ideas to fail and encourage risk taking the wasn’t thought of by the government. Pure socialism has been proven to be just as historically toxic as pure capitalism.
Really wish more people understood cooperatives.
The “regulated capitalism” you think of came as a direct result of a threat of socialist revolution, brought by interventionist USSR. Without a threat like that, capitalism degrades rather quickly into what you see today and way beyond. Capitalism itself is an awful system based on greed and exploitation, and it will blow through any guardrails you try to put on it given enough time.
As opposed to the very stable free market economy of the US, which is about to go through a third “once-in-a-lifetime” recession in 20 years?
Meanwhile e.g. Chinese economy is mostly managed by actual economists who aim to balance economic development, poverty alleviation, and quality-of-life improvements. The impact of their crises are felt most by those on top, not only financially but also in terms of prison sentences if they are to blame.
This is precisely what capitalists would want you to think. It is indeed what I thought a few years ago before someone pushed me to read a bit of Marx, Lenin, and Kropotkin, and look at the history of rising socialist states critically. If you actually examine what socialism has done for the working people, it becomes obvious that it is a flawed system but a massive improvement over capitalism.
I think America has farther to fall before a serious conversation about Marx’s ideas can hit mainstream. Right now “socialism” just means “progressive reformation” thanks to the propaganda machines. Fox news has been peddling “anything i don’t like is socialism” for so long that American’s just call good thing socialism.