• Waldelfe@feddit.org
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    In the last city I lives in they transformed on of the major busy streets that had a lot of shops into a pedestrian zone. Businesses fought it kicking and screaming. Reading the local news and online forums you’d think that the main customer base for all businesses in the inner city were 90year olds with multiple hip surgeries who will not come anymore if they can’t park right in front of the shop. Well. The street was transformed, people got suspiciously quiet about the mass extinction of local businesses that was about to happen and all the restaurants and cafes need reservations now where before you could just walk in even on a Saturday afternoon and get a table. Some of the shops need security now to regulate the flow of people. But of course you want read any articles on local news about it.

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    We have been surround by cars for so long we have forgotten how amazing pedestrianized streets are.

    So much so we fight tooth and nail to keep the cars, but once the street is transformed to something like above we absolutely love it and can’t see life any other way.

    Not to mention pedestrianized streets like these do so much better economically.

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      So much so we fight tooth and nail to keep the cars, but once the street is transformed to something like above we absolutely love it and can’t see life any other way.

      Things like this support my argument that conservatives are in a very fundamental way stupid. They don’t have good reasons. They just don’t want change for childish emotional reasons.

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    Business always kicks and screams at any change because what’s working for them now is working. The new thing feels like change for the sake of change.

    Businesses can’t lead towards a future because it will never be anything other than more of the same. Like now and how it it’s practically the same social issue conversations as 100 years ago. Business only advances technology - it doesn’t improve life for people.

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      I think this isn’t necessarily a fight with local businesses, because they stand to win a lot from these efforts. The whole point is to strengthen proximity, so that people focus their lives in a close community - including their shopping.

      This is a proxy war by large capitals and interests, who stand to lose massively in terms of influence and revenue if people actually go back to living as communities…

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    judge ruled that the city followed improper planning procedures

    That sums it up

    Also if you run a shop it’s nice to have increased pedestrian traffic, but it really sucks every time you have to restock

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      Why it suck ? Delivery truck have permission and access to the pedestrian zone, I argue that it is even easier for them because they can stop where they want there is no car moving all around and the floor is flat so its easier to move stuff.

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        Unless there’s a bunch of pedestrians around. No driver ever wants to navigate through crowd

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          That is bullshit. In pretty much all German cities the central shopping mile is closed off to private vehicles. Only delivery services and obviously police/ambulances are allowed to enter during shopping times. It works. Had always worked. Stop making shit up to prop up your own shitty arguments.

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            In the English town nearest me, all shops have delivery bays at the rear. Yet still they are allowed delivery access on the pedestrianised street in front of their shop, and a few do still use it which is rather annoying. I avoid those businesses because I think they’re selfish to bathe shoppers in fumes and brake dust.

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              Do they have the means to deliver from the rear? I would think that it’s more convenient for the business too if they could do that.

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                In depends what you mean by the means. They all have rear doors and either stock room doors or shop entrances back there. Some might have to repair their rear doorbells and some might have to instruct their suppliers to deliver to the rear.

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          We have streets here that become pedestrian streets during the summer. During those times, delivery trucks come early in the morning while the streets are nearly empty and they stop right in front of the business they’re delivering to. The rest of the year, they have to stop on the side streets because that’s the only place where they don’t block car traffic. They have to wheel everything much further and leave one thing or another unattended while doing so.