I hope they do, because I think they are overestimating how many people are ok with everything that has happened
They already have… what the fuck do they think has been going on the past six years?
Yeah, that was my reaction to the title as well, but the article makes it clear that there is a fresh new uprising by the Christian Nationalists to try and truly take over. They’re a part of the MAGA idea, but a lot of Republican politicians are less about nationalism and more about serving their corporate masters.
So if this truly is nationalists moving to take over the party, it could really be a big deal.
Or it could fizzle.
I don’t know how much actual support these fascists have, but THESE are the people champing at the bit to shoot their guns at “libruls”. So it’s really not a Good Thing™. But as to how serious a threat, I’m honestly not sure.
So these people think maga wasn’t extreme enough? Not far-right enough?
It wasn’t even hyperbolic to call the maga movement fascism. And yet these people viewed it as too moderate?
That’s a scary prospect, but I know a lot of republican voters don’t want the insanity. They’re just fooled into thinking a “moderate republican” platform still exists in practice. Maybe this movement will wake those voters up, maybe even restore a viable moderate republican platform. That will at least shift the overton window a little towards the center.
After all, without trump’s perplexing charisma, I don’t think they’ll have a singular figurehead to unite around. Nobody to threaten, bribe, and intimidate people into compliance. Stephen Miller and JD Vance don’t have that kind of sway. I doubt Tucker Carlson does either, but we’ll see.
So this could blow up in their faces. The party caucus seems to be digging in on the “No, the voters are wrong, we need to double down.” So maybe they’ll shoot themselves in the foot even harder than centrist dems are trying to do to themselves now.
It’ll be a shitshow for a couple years, but it’ll be interesting to see what effect this has on the primaries.
A thread of hope at least, is better than none.
The thing that worries about these people is that I don’t think we’re really sure how many of them are out there and how far they can be radicalized and how far they’ll go.
I don’t intend to fearmonger, but honestly state the above. But with the above comes the flip side: While some of these types of people have gone on murdering sprees, there haven’t been many, and it’s usually been that they’ve selected some target and some of them succeed and some of them don’t.
The thing that actually worries me is that I think we may face an uptick in the rhetoric that drives some of these people to go out and shoot people; we may see groups like Proud Boys decide to go shooting instead of intimidating.
I don’t know. I’m not saying these things are going to happen, but it’s the thing that worries me most about that background level of nationalism and the people building up incel communities.
That said, this election gives me some hope. For a good while, I didn’t really see a path out of fascism, but if we can get enough actual progressives in power and force the establishment Dems to be more progressive, get enough going to give us a blue President in two years with enough in Congress to get shit done AND if there’s enough progressives in there to help real change happen, we might be able to show the American people that government isn’t broken - just Republicans and establishment Democrats are. IF, and by damn that is just about the hugest if of all time, IF we can pull that off, maybe we can pull back from the brink of fascism - and by brink I mean more like we’re already over the edge hanging on to a comically small tree root hanging out the side of the cliff with our fingers losing strength.
I’m hopeful that this low-level rumbling of fascist nationalist racist bullshit will remain low-level.
Far-right activist and pardoned January 6 rioter Jake Lang, however, is planning an event in DC on January 3. It is unclear how many people are planning to attend, but one of the Christian nationalist pastors listed by Lang as an official speaker has said he won’t be speaking.
Lang, who spent last weekend disrupting a cat convention that he thought was a furry convention, did not respond to a request for comment.
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He just got pulled off a plane in Texas and arrested on an active warrant so we’ll see how that goes.
EDIT this might be a lie I can’t find any news corroborating this.
Can’t find any news either. Be nice if it’s true, though. heh
My “source” was a twitter video (sent by a friend who still uses twitter unfortunately) of him seemingly deplaning by himself, with the written context being what I described. Could be true and news just hasn’t caught up…or it could be footage from an old arrest (he has several), or they could just be making shit up completely.
And Wired clicks the Overton window further right. It’s not that you can’t get more extreme, it’s that it’s a distinction without much of a difference and they’re reassigning far right to something outside of the party with concentration camps, campaigns of dehumanization against racial and sexual groups, ideological purges of the military, international fascist alignment, and a guy who literally did a Nazi salute on stage.
That’s far right extremism, whether or not there are a few nutcases beyond it. Pretending this is somehow the version of conservativism being threatened by the far right is just normalizing it.
Yes please! This could really sink them in 2028.
… Have they not?
So, I’ll answer for those that don’t have a PHD in the study of fascism/rascism and the far right. You’re normal and shouldn’t have to know this.
You probably heard about MTG (Margary Taylor Green) leaving her place in the House. If you follow politics at all. Well, this and Tucker Carlson leaving Fox News would be the early adopter’s of the shift in the right we are seeing right now.
It’s the same thing that Trump actually ran on that was so appealing to the normies that started paying attention to politics when he ran. The anti war/conflicts in the middle East (not yet anti Israel in 2015), the “make America great again” shit and anti NAFTA trade policies. The “I’ll protect social security” stuff.
People forget that Trump got popular on a lot of economic talking points he never had any intentions of actually following through on. But he captured a large portion of the population that (1) didn’t understand why their kids weren’t obtaining the same success they had; and (2) had inherent rascism built into their politics because of… well, read a fucking history book.
So, MTG is an example of timing. But Tucker Carlson is the real ideologue that we can track. A real white supremacist that is constantly looking to push his agenda on any hook of populist interest. And, to his credit, he read the room better than Trump did. He’s been hooking onto the left and saying a lot of true things about Israel. But, it’s not with good intentions. He read the room and decided to get in early with a position that he saw would need to be inevitably addressed. Trump did not. That’s why he’s stuck in Iran and failing. This is a fundamental difference.
This created a small shift in the right. That was largely working to connect to the people that didn’t get what they wanted from Trump. Their lives didn’t get better. But it was a small part of the right initially. That we will see explode before the next election. They are in a transitional phase. But are still captured by these two factions of the right that are at an impasse right now.
It’s a nationalist movement that is still holding onto the xenophobic and economic populist policies that Trump lied about (focusing only on the xenophobia). And it is attempting to capture the real economic changes that the leftist movement (DSA/Mamdani) have made popular.
It is yet to be seen, but, the upcoming presidential elections will likely be fought on the right trying to convince the population that the xenophobia and anti Israel position is “more pure” on the right than the left. The leftist politicians will be filtered by attempting to appeal to a center that does not exist. And their lack of ability to engage in class based politics will give the right wingers (following Tucker Carlson’s lead) the advantage in their lies. And, if we allow the liberal zionist to maintain control within electoral politics within the Democratic party; we on the left will lose that fight.
The “Tucker Carlson” wing of true white supremacist fascism will outweigh the good intentions of the liberals that cannot call out the class structures as the core problem.
The larger population will fall for the truths that the fascisg speak with no intention of addressing. And this time; it won’t be an incompetent old TV show host in power. It will be a competent and capable white supremacist like Tucker Carlson (or whatever puppet they put in to run) that will be more interested using their position of power to do more than just enrich themselves. They will be an actual ideologue (see Stephen Miller) that will know exactly how to direct the anger of the masses, and their worsening material conditions, towards the perfect scapegoat of whatever minority group is the best target.
That is IF there is not already a mutiny brewing within the Trump admin. That the fascist ideologues are not already looking to maintain power before the next elections. This will depend on their confidence; and, the interest of the capitalist class that looks to maintain their hold over the economy.
We will see. But that’s my explanation of what is happening on ‘the right’ right now. I’d appreciate any criticism of the analysis.
Tons is left out. Nick Fuentes, Epstein, etc. But, that’s more of a 202 class in your second year in these studies. I’ll leave it alone for now.
So the overton window has shifted so far to the right that the far-right maga policies are now viewed as too moderate for the new new insurgent wing of the republican party?
And the lesson they take away is that instead of shifting back towards the center and being more honest and actually delivering for their voters, is to double down on the hatred, greed, and fear-mongering?
It’s so disgusting that Democrats can’t talk about climate change, healthcare, higher education, accountability, or repairing democracy, because these are supposedly “culture war issues,” and yet the right-wing digs its feet in on aggravating discontent and pointing the ire directly at the only ones trying to solve the actual problems people feel.
How have we not learned this lesson yet as a country? It’s like deja vu, or more accurately groundhog day.
No no. Don’t leave that out. I would be interested in hearing it. I also think you are no giving the credit due to the white evangelical faction that Eisenhower let into the White House. These people are a death cult that believe that all Jews must return to the homeland before Christ can return and they are willing to burn down the whole world to prove themselves right. While I think Berry Goldwater is a shitheel he was completely right the evangelical faction that was invading the Republican party.
Please write a couple of articles on this, this is very interesting.
They’re already out in the open Nazis, how much further right can the Paedo Party get?
Oh, they can go quite a bit further. We haven’t seen them outwardly doing the entire Hitler/Mussolini thing yet, but we’re getting close. The rhetoric is similar, but the actions aren’t quite as bad yet.
Oh I’d say Hegseth is about there
eh again, I know it’s hip to say America now is Nazi Germany but it’s not quite at that point yet. It’s like late 20s but not even early 30s yet because there isn’t the same level of widespread violence as there was in the early 30s between fascists, communists, and anarchists.
Again, I’d say the rhetoric is very much there, which is terrifying, but it’s not quite as bad yet in actions. The fact that we can even have this type of conversation is terrifying too.
Sure, but there’s a difference between what Hegseth wants to do and has the tattoos to prove it and what orders will be obeyed.
Warning: Fearmongering follows in this comment!
NVE groups like 764 and O9A are to the right of the Paedo Party. These dudes want to kill you or blackmail other people into killing you in horrific ways because they think it’s cool/funny. They like to prey on children and the mentally ill since they’re easier to manipulate than stable adults. They’re so detestable, in fact, that even the likes of Trump and white supremacist whackos want these far right groups wiped out.
We’re doomed if someone in a NVE group gets some actual power, but fortunately, these guys lack the means to go mainstream.
764 and O9A
What the fuck. I like following these groups because I want to know who the fucknuggets are I need to watch out for. This is the first I have heard of these people.
Considering how evil these people are, I don’t know how they wound up being so unknown. Maybe the info is generally kept out of search algorithms so someone doesn’t try to make yet another copycat organization? Or maybe it’s because these kinds of groups are the most clear-cut case for why society needs to be made better for the common man - these groups tend to recruit from desperate and depressed people, so making a better society will starve the beast.
To be fair they’re probably just Peter Theil experiments because he’s the modern day Arasaka CEO
Hot take: these guys are just Republicans
Honestly, I think these guys would view the current GOP as too soft for not starting the Iran War with a nuclear strike on Tehran. No doubt they were happy when Hegseth blew up that school, and were eager for more.
They might be proper Republicans in the future, though. It all depends on how the GOP moves on from Trump.
Yeah they definitely do, I mean fucking Nick Fuentes’ loser ass thought so. These guys absolutely think the same about Nick Fuentes lolz. Hell, I bet the reason they’re targeted by Trump’s DoJ is because they’re going after Republicans for their failures lol.
LOL, when you think this iteration of the GOP is not extreme enough, you might be an asshole.
Hasn’t the GOP been exclusively assholes for many decades already ?
Yes, literally since Nixon at the bare minimum. And before then, they were at least somewhat loyal to the constitution…. sometimes.
I’m pretty sure what we have now is as extreme as it gets. They literally have concentration camps.
They’re not doing mass executions yet. They’re not gassing people or lining them up to be shot in the street. It can get worse and it will unless MAGA is decisively ended.
You can always get more extreme, especially on the right.
Nick Fuentes urged his supporters on X to “get out and vote Democrat today.” The post racked up over 12 million views
So he claimed responsibility for the Blue Wave? Because X users (including bots and non-US users) had his post jammed into their algorithm? Says it all I think, they’re so sure they have all the answers even when they’re on another planet.
is this 2016?
1926, Germany.
Haha, das ist urkomisch. Wenn das hier das Deutschland der 1920er-Jahre wäre, würden wir Deutsch sprechen – tun wir aber nicht, wir sprechen Englisch. Warte mal, tun wir das etwa nicht? Ach du Scheiße! Ach du Scheiße, du hast recht! Oh, fick mich doch, wie kommen wir zurück nach … na ja … bloß nicht nach 2026, suchen wir uns ein anderes Jahr aus. Vielleicht 1990, und wir machen dieses Mal einiges anders?
