For those reading these threads where there’s always a few doomer anti-hope comments: I urge you to call out and block these entirely unhelpful commenters. If you notice, those asking us to abandon hope, even though there is reason for it, do not pair any “criticism” with a call to action. In cases where that happens, that is helpful and not what I’m calling out. Regardless of why doomers are spreading gloom or what they think that will accomplish, paying them any attention can only ever lead to inaction, mental anguish, and helping fascist ideas gain traction across the world. Perhaps if enough of us block these users, they’ll start to feel like their anti-hope messaging campaigns are futile.
Do NOT lose hope. For Americans: contact your state representatives, get active with progressive political organizations, and do everything you can to affect change.
I would be cautious not to shut out opportunities to tell people there is a way to work for something better, but yes, particularly on the activism side, get busy participating with local progressive groups. We may not all have the money to buy our own politician, but working together a few hours and some helpful hands can go a long way.
I have him tagged as “echo chamber liberal.” I don’t remember the interaction that lead to that tag but I have seen him pop up several times since and every time he goes ahead and confirms it for me.
Way to stand up for the doomers. It “proves you right” that I’m all for an echo chamber even when I specifically say that criticism with a call to action is good. So we see which side you’re on. Thanks for confirmation of my tag for you also.
Doomers are an important part of reality. Bots and trolls not so much. It’s ok to be a doomer a lot of the time it’s a sober look at shit that people don’t have the will or capacity to see. I’ve been called a doomer so much that I bristle at the term because it’s a coping pajorative.
And who is the judge and jury? You? The climate crisis is comming for everyone. And that should make you more fucking afraid than anything. And you know what because of humanity’s stupidity and in action there is nothing we can do to stop it now, hell, we can barely even slow it down at this point. And dem centrists are a click away from fascists. And America has a tendency to scew fascist and racist even when Dems are in power.
I’ve been engaged for longer than you’ve been alive. Sometimes reality can suck the motivation out of you because it’s so daunting but it’s better to dispel one lie than gain a thousand truths. And that’s the problem with reality is that it’s beautiful and horrifying and you must take them both or you tilt at dreams.
Edit: And corpo dems enable the pedophile king. Because they all belong to the meta party of money not democracy. At time comes for us all! And there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Ha!
Yes, we should all be afraid of what will happen if we cannot take immediate and aggressive action against climate change. But it would be counter-productive to let that fear become paralyzing.
And what are you doing? Are you warning people what will happen if we don’t act? Or are you telling them that there’s no point in trying?
All information is a warning of the future. For me the essence of doomerism in the way I see it is a subjective challenge for everyone to truly answer that question in their own mind and heart. And the answer reveals to themselves who they are and where they fall on their commitment and understanding of whatever topic is at hand. The climate crisis is particularly dear to my heart because in a way it paints the perfect picture of what happens when you try to silver line everything with so many variables and so many uncomfortable truths about the way we, humanity (and in my case Americans,) live their lives and want to live their lives. When you face the bleak reality of the collosel trajectory of our environment it is inherently a losing battle. But then the question becomes how can you help. Instead of I will let other handle it for me.
It’s also important to the conversation because it transcends races, creeds, nationalities, political ideology and leaves you stark naked as an idvidual juxtaposed against an infinite monolith of human greed. You are set, almost in a spiritual way, alone with the world as it is and then you get to make a choice. You can take the good with the bad and sysnthazie it or you can do what the other poster is on and bury yourself in your echo chamber and cover your ears and eyes and melt your brain.
In itself doomerism is the reaction to the status quo and the rejection of all the data by the public of things that doom us, it is embracing hope for the best and expect the worst. It’s a critical look at what scientists who are not funded by corporations like nestle or political interests who have a monetary stake in kicking the can down the road.
To me doomerism especially critical doomerism is invigorating because it seems to me that that is where the critical thinking happens as opposed to the we can fix everything and keep everything as it is mentality. That’s not going to work.
It’s like I tell people. Trump had allowed me to put the climate crisis in the back of my mind as an existential threat because he is an eminent existential threat. And still does. But it’s still out there and working and creating chaos and want and deaths and will just keep getting exponentially worse until the earth decides for us, which it really already has.
It’s like the last act of a Christmas carol and we are all coming face to face with the ghost of Christmas future but instead of heading the warnings like scrooge we turn and say there is more gravy than the grave. If only the dead could speak.
Tl;dr: I read and try my best to make sure I am understanding the topic. I speak and hope that people will take away a different perspective and do not expect to be lauded for it, and I dream and hope that people will be able to see the world for what it is not what they want it to be. People call me a doomer all the time. But if you are following the science and following the news you might just find yourself thinking critically about the status quo conclusions. We cannot have infinite growth in a finite system. We must do the very thing that has saved humanity for its entire run. We must adapt or perish. And at this point where are firmly still on the side of balequething the children of the world nothing but drought hunger and bloodshed. Take it as you will. Doomer and pragmatist, don’t really see a difference. You can’t change shit if you don’t know what you’re up against.
Edit: oh wait you are the same turd who just accused me of not voting. Piss up a rope pal.
It’s simple. Telling people to lose hope, as you are doing here, is toxic, useless, and absolutely counter productive. If you do that, you have no right to claim to care because you are actively adding to the problems by discouraging anyone from making them better.
We cant just “have hope”. We have to do something about it to get it to exist. Hope is often used as an excuse to wait for the status quo to solve our problems with no effort and we are way past that. No one is coming to help any of us. Not the Democratic partyt leadership for sure, unless we MAKE them. The time for this sort of anger was really before the midterm, but now is second best.
I think the problem with our progressivism is its integrated passivity. It refuses to give itself permission to act on its own to forcefully to establish the future it wants. We beg and implre. We hold signs. We write letters and emails to those who have money in their pockets paid by our enemies. We try to shame the shameless, which only makes conservatives learn to be even more shameless. We count on some “decent people” to eventually appear and take charge somehow.
For those reading these threads where there’s always a few doomer anti-hope comments: I urge you to call out and block these entirely unhelpful commenters. If you notice, those asking us to abandon hope, even though there is reason for it, do not pair any “criticism” with a call to action. In cases where that happens, that is helpful and not what I’m calling out. Regardless of why doomers are spreading gloom or what they think that will accomplish, paying them any attention can only ever lead to inaction, mental anguish, and helping fascist ideas gain traction across the world. Perhaps if enough of us block these users, they’ll start to feel like their anti-hope messaging campaigns are futile.
Do NOT lose hope. For Americans: contact your state representatives, get active with progressive political organizations, and do everything you can to affect change.
I would be cautious not to shut out opportunities to tell people there is a way to work for something better, but yes, particularly on the activism side, get busy participating with local progressive groups. We may not all have the money to buy our own politician, but working together a few hours and some helpful hands can go a long way.
It’s definitely started to feel like the doomers aren’t really here for dialog though.
I have him tagged as “echo chamber liberal.” I don’t remember the interaction that lead to that tag but I have seen him pop up several times since and every time he goes ahead and confirms it for me.
Way to stand up for the doomers. It “proves you right” that I’m all for an echo chamber even when I specifically say that criticism with a call to action is good. So we see which side you’re on. Thanks for confirmation of my tag for you also.
Doomers are an important part of reality. Bots and trolls not so much. It’s ok to be a doomer a lot of the time it’s a sober look at shit that people don’t have the will or capacity to see. I’ve been called a doomer so much that I bristle at the term because it’s a coping pajorative.
I disagree. Critics are important. Encouraging others to lose hope is a terrible and useless thing to do.
And who is the judge and jury? You? The climate crisis is comming for everyone. And that should make you more fucking afraid than anything. And you know what because of humanity’s stupidity and in action there is nothing we can do to stop it now, hell, we can barely even slow it down at this point. And dem centrists are a click away from fascists. And America has a tendency to scew fascist and racist even when Dems are in power.
I’ve been engaged for longer than you’ve been alive. Sometimes reality can suck the motivation out of you because it’s so daunting but it’s better to dispel one lie than gain a thousand truths. And that’s the problem with reality is that it’s beautiful and horrifying and you must take them both or you tilt at dreams.
Edit: And corpo dems enable the pedophile king. Because they all belong to the meta party of money not democracy. At time comes for us all! And there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Ha!
Yes, we should all be afraid of what will happen if we cannot take immediate and aggressive action against climate change. But it would be counter-productive to let that fear become paralyzing.
And what are you doing? Are you warning people what will happen if we don’t act? Or are you telling them that there’s no point in trying?
All information is a warning of the future. For me the essence of doomerism in the way I see it is a subjective challenge for everyone to truly answer that question in their own mind and heart. And the answer reveals to themselves who they are and where they fall on their commitment and understanding of whatever topic is at hand. The climate crisis is particularly dear to my heart because in a way it paints the perfect picture of what happens when you try to silver line everything with so many variables and so many uncomfortable truths about the way we, humanity (and in my case Americans,) live their lives and want to live their lives. When you face the bleak reality of the collosel trajectory of our environment it is inherently a losing battle. But then the question becomes how can you help. Instead of I will let other handle it for me.
It’s also important to the conversation because it transcends races, creeds, nationalities, political ideology and leaves you stark naked as an idvidual juxtaposed against an infinite monolith of human greed. You are set, almost in a spiritual way, alone with the world as it is and then you get to make a choice. You can take the good with the bad and sysnthazie it or you can do what the other poster is on and bury yourself in your echo chamber and cover your ears and eyes and melt your brain.
In itself doomerism is the reaction to the status quo and the rejection of all the data by the public of things that doom us, it is embracing hope for the best and expect the worst. It’s a critical look at what scientists who are not funded by corporations like nestle or political interests who have a monetary stake in kicking the can down the road.
To me doomerism especially critical doomerism is invigorating because it seems to me that that is where the critical thinking happens as opposed to the we can fix everything and keep everything as it is mentality. That’s not going to work.
It’s like I tell people. Trump had allowed me to put the climate crisis in the back of my mind as an existential threat because he is an eminent existential threat. And still does. But it’s still out there and working and creating chaos and want and deaths and will just keep getting exponentially worse until the earth decides for us, which it really already has.
It’s like the last act of a Christmas carol and we are all coming face to face with the ghost of Christmas future but instead of heading the warnings like scrooge we turn and say there is more gravy than the grave. If only the dead could speak.
Tl;dr: I read and try my best to make sure I am understanding the topic. I speak and hope that people will take away a different perspective and do not expect to be lauded for it, and I dream and hope that people will be able to see the world for what it is not what they want it to be. People call me a doomer all the time. But if you are following the science and following the news you might just find yourself thinking critically about the status quo conclusions. We cannot have infinite growth in a finite system. We must do the very thing that has saved humanity for its entire run. We must adapt or perish. And at this point where are firmly still on the side of balequething the children of the world nothing but drought hunger and bloodshed. Take it as you will. Doomer and pragmatist, don’t really see a difference. You can’t change shit if you don’t know what you’re up against.
Edit: oh wait you are the same turd who just accused me of not voting. Piss up a rope pal.
It’s simple. Telling people to lose hope, as you are doing here, is toxic, useless, and absolutely counter productive. If you do that, you have no right to claim to care because you are actively adding to the problems by discouraging anyone from making them better.
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The audacity of telling me you have me tagged and not telling me what it is.
We cant just “have hope”. We have to do something about it to get it to exist. Hope is often used as an excuse to wait for the status quo to solve our problems with no effort and we are way past that. No one is coming to help any of us. Not the Democratic partyt leadership for sure, unless we MAKE them. The time for this sort of anger was really before the midterm, but now is second best.
I think the problem with our progressivism is its integrated passivity. It refuses to give itself permission to act on its own to forcefully to establish the future it wants. We beg and implre. We hold signs. We write letters and emails to those who have money in their pockets paid by our enemies. We try to shame the shameless, which only makes conservatives learn to be even more shameless. We count on some “decent people” to eventually appear and take charge somehow.