Why WA voters rebuffed Dems on I-638, even in blue wave election
www.seattletimes.com
As a blue wave washed across the U.S., Washington voters passed an initiative that the state’s Democratic Party opposed. There are multiple ways to understand why.

Opponents say [Washington state] voters were persuaded at least partly because the initiative and its boosters exploited deep-seated prejudices and misunderstandings about transgender people to erode their rights.

  • NotAnOtter@lemmus.orgEnglish
    74·
    15 hours ago

    I wish people The Good Side were open to more nuanced conversations on this topic. There are many reasons why you could oppose trans athletes in girls sports that have nothing to do with transphobia but when that conversation is placed next to the foghorn of hate from The Bad Side, nuance dies.

    • ryannathans@aussie.zone
      31·
      7 hours ago

      Looks like you have unfortunately found people on “The Good Side” who are not open to nuanced conversations and live in perpetual echo chambers/cognitive dissonance

    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
      14·
      5 hours ago

      There really isn’t a good reason except bigotry. The science is firm on this. Trans women are biologically female and have no advantage in sports over cis women.

      Your problem is that you’re stuck on a bigoted assumption that “trans woman == man in a dress.”

      • NotAnOtter@lemmus.orgEnglish
        3·
        4 hours ago

        Ah yes, the only possible reason anyone could oppose any possible aspect of any possible trans issue at all is if they are a transphobe. There is no reasonable opposition to any proposed trans issue at all theoretically ever even once at all ever. It’s always actually simply hate.

        Good job. Have fun on my loser list.

      • NotAnOtter@lemmus.orgEnglish
        6·
        4 hours ago

        I had a draft message that was basically “Before I bother, I want to make sure you engage in good faith. Can we agree on things like your DNA affects your hormones which effect you body development”, and a few other really really basic pillars that cannot be reasonably debated. I had to leave so left it as a draft…

        But uh. In the other thread, you already claimed HRT takes full effect instantly in your They do, actually statement. Also your stance implies a pre-18 start for HRT which is a whole other bucket of nuance. You already started nitpicking grammar like a 2012 internet troll. You already started accusing the other dude of feeding into the “Nazi agenda”. I just know that you are incapable of good faith discussion on a topic that is inherently touchy without letting your emotions take over.

        So I won’t bother engaging further, enjoy having the last word.

        • fipto@lemmy.world
          1·
          3 hours ago

          ✅ Got called a right-wing nazi on Lemmy today

          Genuinely hope their day/life gets better

      • fipto@lemmy.world
        32·
        7 hours ago
        • there are some immutable biological differences between males and females. weight/height classes and hormones/blockers don’t make these differences go away.
        • women and girls get fewer opportunities to succeed in sports, and letting a male take a spot from a female athlete is a form of bigotry and male supremacy.
        • just let women and girls have something for ourselves for once? males want to get in all our spaces and don’t know how to take “no” for an answer
          • fipto@lemmy.world
            51·
            7 hours ago

            What would you have to see to convince you that there are immutable biological differences between males and females? would an example change your mind?

            Please don’t assume what I think, where I live, or my education level. (??? why ??)

            And please don’t be rude. I’ve been on lemmy for years, and Feminism did not start on reddit and 4chan, LOL.

            • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
              15·
              5 hours ago

              What would you have to see to convince you that there are immutable biological differences between males and females?

              The struggle you’re having is that you don’t seem to realize that trans women are biologically female.

                • freely1333@reddthat.comEnglish
                  2·
                  2 hours ago

                  Every time I see a trans person on the internet make an absolutely batshit crazy argument it makes me question the whole trans isn’t a mental illness thing.

            • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              23·
              7 hours ago

              What would you have to see to convince you that there are immutable biological differences between males and females? would an example change your mind?

              Scientific studies that explicitly show that AMABs on HRT have some type of advantage over cis AFAB. They don’t exist in peer reviewed journals, but maybe I’m wrong. Go ahead. Find one. Two of the papers I linked are meta analyses.

              Please don’t assume what I think, where I live, or my education level. (??? why ??)

              I know what you think, because your moderation history and comment history are public on activitypub federated servers, and by god do you post a lot of bigoted bullshit to push your far-right nazi-inspired agenda. Seriously, you people, and I use that term loosely, need to be forcibly reeducated before you’re allowed to be out in public.

              And please don’t be rude. I’ve been on lemmy for years, and Feminism did not start on reddit and 4chan, LOL.

              Feminism did not. Trans-exclusionary Radical Feminism did. Because chipping away at the LGBT+ alliance fits the nazi agenda and it’s easier to start with the ‘weaker’ ones.

              Trans people are why gay rights exist in the west. One would do well to remember that, if you want to claim to be a part of the “LGB.”