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      So a few corrections:

      1. Tankies aren’t a bad thing, and it’s a nazi dogwhistle as pointed out by your link.

      2. Being a ‘Tankie,’ isn’t a bad thing, it’s being anti-nazi. The Term was invented by nazis, to criticize the soviet union crushing a nazi uprising with tanks, barely a decade after they won WWII.

      3. The tanks in Tiannamen square were the good guys. Objectively so. Maybe don’t root for the CIA?

      Please be smarter than you are. The people that own every aspect of your life are obviously going to lie to you to keep you under their ownership. It takes very little to debunk their lies.

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          Be more specific, and please link explicit examples with sources, instead of using thought terminating phrases that your owner taught you when something clashes with their programming.

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            just duckduckgo it

            1: the word “tankie” was made by reformist communistsm not nazis

            2: you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people

            3: and no, Democracy is a real thing, and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example

            4: there is no thought in communism, communism is the most vague thing on earth, it cannot pair with democracy since it’s so vague

            your odor lingers on

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              the word “tankie” was made by reformist communistsm not nazis

              Answered in the First link, calling the CGRB ‘reformist communists’ is the same as calling nazis ‘reformist socialists’ because they have socialist in the name.

              you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people

              No, you don’t. In fact, you don’t have a single one, because that was never the claim for Tiannamen square. The tanks sheltered the soldiers from gunfire during the rebellion. This is answered in the second link.

              and no, Democracy is a real thing,

              Correct, and all forms of socialism have democracy built in, as socialism is democracy applied to the economy.

              and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example

              The same EU that uses slave labor for most of its wealth? [1]

              Regulated capitalism still requires exploitation in order to function, because it is still capitalism, which is exploitative by nature.

              there is no thought in communism

              There’s more thought in communism than there is in capitalism, as communism is based on the scientific method, and capitalism is built on the idea some people are born better than others. [2]

              your odor lingers on

              I hope you realize your place and the fact you will never be a capitalist. Education is free and easy these days.

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                1: of course your using 3 links referening to communist newspapers and others (what did i expect), Having No Evidence

                2: go to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Citations, then look and read them all (the ones written in english)

                3: no all communist and socialist countries, are not actual democracies in being free

                4: there is no evidence with the EU encouraging any form of slave labor, that wasn’t in the 1700s, and also many of those companies that exploit are likely gonna become illegal by some day

                5: then why are all those soviet union countries and china and communist nations, exploit people, kill them, and many more, if there was thought in it, none of that would happen

                6: your fart lingers on

                7: communism hides the issues with its economy, capitalism doesn’t

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                  1. They are all sourced.
                  2. My links explicitly answer those sources and address them.
                  3. All socialist countries that currently exist use democracy.
                  4. That is hilariously naive little fascist.
                  5. Why do you think that they do?
                  6. Good argument little fascist.
                  7. Why do you think this when all information about the government is public information in communist countries?
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          That’s sad that you have so much potential[1][2][3], but then blindly and stupidly believe everything the American government tells you to believe when it comes to non-white and non-western people. The links will still be available for you when you decide to grow past your limitations and your owner’s education.

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        The sources for the blog post in point number 3 are pretty spotty. They quote Western media like the Washington Post or a former Australian official without giving the proper links or citations. The citations to some “Western” sources like Amnesty International are there but these sources are only brought in so the authors can get nitpicky about their word choices. The only solid source I could find was the WikiLeaks source from the US embassy, but that doesn’t contradict the massacre narrative because the wire could have been sent before the violence peaked. The more substantive claims rely on YouTube videos or other blog posts for their sources.

        I’m not trying to be hostile by saying this; I’m willing to hear you out. But I will need a far higher standard of rigour before I’m willing to take any of these ideas seriously.

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        False:

        1. “Tankie” was coined by orthodox communists to describe and criticize party members who supported the Soviet Union’s use of military tanks to brutally crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. And, since you really love sources,

        The term “tankie” was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie 2. The Tiannamen Square protests are led by a vast majority of students. Reading the article you cited, it states: “…and are clear that the “protesters” (rioters) initiated the deadly violence in Beijing (none of which occurred in Tiananmen Square itself).” You can see that this mofo denies the massacre happening because it literally didn’t happen in the Square (true, but a non-sequitur). Secondly, that the protestors initiated the violence. The protests were peaceful, until the Chinese government declared martial law and ordered thousands of People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops into Beijing. 3. Sure. The article is fucking misleading. Let’s assume it is right, and even then, your (3) is yet again a non-sequitur: because the protestors initiated the violence does not make the massacre justified.

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          The right wing of the CPGB that supported the counterrevolution in Hungary were not “Orthodox communists.” You seem to think Marxism is a purity-based moralist doctrine, but in fact the right-wing supported a fascist movement and a destruction of worker power. The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.

          "The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, “coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways.”

          “But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing.”

          “Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)

          “The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”

          "A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:

          During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”

          Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."

          Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:

          Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.

          TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about “freedom” and “democracy,” but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.

          Regarding the Tian’anmen protests, a color revolution grew from what originated as protests against the marketization shifts under Deng Xiaoping that had turned into western-backed protests against CPC control, resulting in a few hundred deaths from clashes between rioters and the PLA around Beijing after the PLA had been sent in to disburse the protests. Once the PLA reached Tian’anmen Square, the center of the protests, the square was dispersed bloodlessly. The CIA-backed student leaders were evacuated in Operation Yellowbird. For more, I recommend this Tian’anmen Protests reading list.

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          Hi, my two sources directly answer your CIA propaganda and debunk it.

          Thanks for proving your illiteracy.

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            thank you for proving that you supported a actual massacre and supporting ethnic cleansing by the russian government

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            Hi, yes. One of your sources, Hampton Think, is a leftist “proletariat” (self-described; on Hampton Think’s about page). They are an open platform with no fact checking, so:

            1. Not only are you citing a leftist source, which, saying this by itself, is an ad hominem
            2. And they have no fact-checking or peer review
            3. You are using it to justify anti-capitalist and pro-socialist ideologies. This is circular logic; using anti-capitalist cherry-picked proof to reinforce your anti-capitalist ideology. Addendum: What do you think about “In defense of Communism”, your second source? Yeah. Give me some real sources next time.
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              Cool, the paper I linked specifically has sources for all of its claims.

              For your 3rd point, look to the world right now. Congrats, its worse than the any socialist country ever was.

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              Addendum:

              My bad for using the r-word for offended folks; it was in the heat of the moment

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        Tankie was made by leftists to describe authcoms support for the Soviets after they used tanks on a student protest in Hungary.

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      oh no

      but i hope that someone who isnt rooting for world war 3, is probably gonna fork it