Voters in Montana on Tuesday delivered a major blow to big moneyed interests by overwhelmingly passing a ballot initiative barring corporate cash from political campaigns in the state.
With 87% of votes counted as of Wednesday morning, Montana Constitutional Initiative 194 has ++received++ support from more than 65% of voters, with just 35% registering opposition.
I can weirdly live and let live with that. They’ll get 'em eventually
Yeah I respect the ethos in a lot of ways. Their philosophy only really fails when like… They disagree on stuff.
“I don’t give a fuck where your kids get educated. Just don’t tell me where to educate mine.” Is fine until “well they need to be being taught ‘x y and z.’” And you’re met with “LIKE HELL THEY DO, ASSHOLE, GET OFF MY LAWN.” because they can’t agree on x y and z.
Or
“We don’t do drugs in this house. And if my kids touch the stuff, they’re out on their own. But, why should johnny law have a say what’s in my greenhouse?”
Or
“I am fiercly pro life. But, I don’t think anyone outside this house should be telling my daughter whether or not she has access to an abortion. She’s just disowned if she ever chooses to access one.”
Where like, their rugged individualism is so fierce they’ll happily hurt people close to them to maintain their version of what’s right. Tough to respect that.
I just think these folk will be subject to their own Family Modernization at which point theyll kinda have to make te right choice and drop all the bullshit.
You’d be amazed how important it is to people to have complete family photos and the social consequencesto those who have to 'splain to their friends/network why their child isnt in any of their current family photos and never will be in the future.
Those are the real losers. Zero sympathy or empathy, they could fiz shit but they cant get over themselves
No that’s what I am saying. Montanians are more likely to choose their individualism over the complete family photo. That’s where their philosophy falls apart.
You really think so? Like they’re able to uphold that rugged individualism even when their house is empty on Christmas and they have zero evidence of a loving, intact family?
Im sad for them but not in any way that would compel any sympathy. Theres such a dark side to being an American
Yeah. They’re the red side of the coin to Maine. Same attitude but Maine wants their family. They would cede to keep the family stable.
Like if I am being ignorant and going off stereotypes: I’d bet money that there is a higher rate of alcoholism among married/divorced men in Montana than in Maine. The Montana man would keep drinking because he’d refuse to see himself as the problem. Maine man would swallow the ego if it meant saving the family. On average.
I say Maine but really, think all of New England except big cities where it’s quite a bit more liberal overall. Northern New England especially though.
For me, that’s too close to the way Christian Nationalists in my state of Arkansas want to exclude non-Whites, and I think would bring back suntown towns where the (often democratic) government of an locality (violently) excluded a marginalized minority from “their property”.
I have to live with that attitude around here, but I’m not directly threatened by it as a cis, white male. My county voted 90% R yesterday. I know politics is the wrong place to change hearts, but I hate that my state government has regulations in place that make things less safe for trans persons and cis women.
I just mean theres a lot more to work with if someone is at that point as opposed to in a chronic frothy murderous rage at the mere notion of the undesirables existence.
That actually is the door cracked open subtly but they are going to require more time or close to them situations where someone in their family they love turns out gay or a friend they cherish comes out or something like that.
As a child of the 90s in the midwest, I can look back and see how my optics have transitioned on gay people. I was never hateful, but I definitely had and aversion. I don’t think it was a conscious decision necessarily to change but just being exposed to more demographics once I moved out of my small town and the normalization of it in media naturally changed my perception. When guys kissed on TV before it was kind of jarring and ‘wrong’. Now I get happy when I see same sex couples irl and on TV.
I’m not a fan of PDA in general, but for many years now it’s no different who’s smooching who.
I think that the more normalized it gets, the less people will care even in the most bigoted places. Eventually everyone will personally know someone that is gay or trans, and it will just stop mattering to them as they realize their just people. I wish it were faster, but it wasn’t so long ago that same sex marriage was legalized and there’s been a lot of positive change and acceptance. Generational bias takes a long time to change out.
Ya these things take time but I actually think thats one of the positive things associated with that demographic. They’re definitely breeders which means many children which means they are more statisticaly likely than not to end up with direct exposure to that which they most detest and “fear” and over time it’ll just be so much easier to stop giving a shit
There is enormous social leverage in needing to avoid scaring away your own children and close relatives. I will never not judge someone who is missing someone in their family photos and their excuse is some attempted face-saving bullshit like “they drifted from thuh Lord” or some bullshit