• alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    How much does the subway cost?

    Its actually shocking how expensive subways are in the US compared to Japan or Korea, and they’re like 15-30 cents per ride in most of China and Kazakhstan and 40-80 cents in vietnam where it exists.

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      20 hours ago

      There’s a common pattern with public transportation projects in North America in general.

      When a project is built city planners use the opportunity to widen streets, roads, build or upgrade bridges, and do this all in a effort to not diminish the amount of lanes previously available to vehicle traffic. Something even adding a new lane where one did not exist beforehand.

      This means when new stations go in, or there is any above ground transit corridor, a good chunk of the cash gets funneled into “car centric initiatives” as opposed being solely allocated for the transit line.

      In the area I live we have a tram line that went in not to long ago. It has both above and below ground sections. Along the whole corridor the city street was repaved, and at the street level routes the street was completely reconfigured and widened. This includes sidewalks, benches, planting, landscape, curbs, mediums, traffic lights and signaling, electrical, and storm water. The costs ballooned obviously.

      It’s almost like city planners were working on the assumption the public was still going to choose to drive, as opposed to take the new transit line. So all efforts and funds were put to work in a way not to inconvenience drive in the slightest.

      So in the end the project costs are higher, and the public does not question all the shiny new car infrastructure, but then proceeds to ask why the transit line was so expensive in the end.

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        @NarrativeBear @alcoholicorn

        Somettimes it ends up reallcated as a bike lane; that ends up end and starting back up near intersections which tend to share lanes with a right turn lane or other spots that make the car (truck in most case legally - but most are SUV’s) centric.

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        what makes it even worse is that you can totally design with the assumption that people will still drive, without making it horrible.
        Just design for people to drive to metro stations! A lot of the suburban washington DC metro stations are like that, and while yes obviously it’s not great it’s a hell of a lot better than having suburbanites continue to drive downtown.

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      22 hours ago

      I always find it crazy to see people paying per ride. Around here, the norm for everyone using public transport regularly are monthly tickets.

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          for tourists maybe, but for commuters monthly tickets (or fuck it, get a yearly one) are completely 0-thought in a zone system.
          Buy the right ticket at the start of the period and never worry about it unless you need to go somewhere else.

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        21 hours ago

        I just used it as a baseline, since weekly and monthly passes can get complicated (see DC)

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        20 hours ago

        The person comparing various country’s metro prices is aware that Sydney is in Australia.