‘Forest management alone cannot address the hotter, drier conditions that are making fires more intense … — that requires confronting the underlying crisis.’

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    I hate to burst anybody’s bubble but we’ve seen these exact headlines for decades. It’s become increasingly clear that those who can make a real difference with climate change are not interested in doing so.

    We’re already irreversibly fucked as a planet.

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      More likely fucked as humans and as we disappear, the planet will heal itself or reinvent itself as it has in the past. That’s what the denialists don’t seem to understand: yes the planet has been warmer and colder and survived but the organisms living on the planet didn’t all survive. The fossil fuel promoters are all atheists and want to live it up in this lifetime, no one else, not even their descendants, matter to them.

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      No matter how irreversibly fucked we are, we can and will continue to get even more fucked every second we don’t change our habits.

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      irreversibly

      Not yet. There’s still hope.

      • CO2 in the stratosphere clears in like a century or two. Our actions today can help our great grandchildren see a friendlier environment again
      • science around tipping points, permanent changes, is less well understood, so we don’t have strong evidence of having passed any yet
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          LOL, they might have been the first generation to really start doing the work on sounding the alarm, ironically.

          Their parents and grandparents were likely even worse as far as this kind of attitude. I know that was the truth in my immediate family, anyway.

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        What actions are being taken though - by the people who can actually make a difference? Governments are reversing to mining coal. Trump is illegally drilling Greenland for oil. Like, what actions are actually being taken for our great grandchildren?

        Many scientists say it’s too late. That’s my point.

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          It’s too late to meet our target, allegedly the point where we can avoid serious disruptions. We’ve failed to prevent harm to ourselves and can’t take it back

          But there’s so much more serious harm looming that can still be avoided. We can still keep it from getting worse

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              There’s so much truth in that cartoon, yet it’s still coming true. Renewable and storage are revolutionary and many parts of the global economic system are restructuring. We’re late and slow but it is happening.

              Except in the US. We not only threw away several chances at restructuring our economy to profit from it, but we’re working on turning several of our remaining industrial giants irrelevant, all while somehow thinking it’s a good idea to maximize our impact on the environment

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            Sure, I bet we can keep it from getting worse. I’ll be here waiting patiently for some billionaire corpo to decide to do something for the environment over profits while we keep using our paper straws. I might nod off so wake me up when it happens.

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      The planet has gone through numerous climate shifts, mass migrations, and extinction level events.

      It’s not what’s fucked. We’re fucked. The planet will keep spinning.

      Even then, humanity is incredibly robust as a species. We’ll have human descendants running around on the planet for a million more years. This pain we’re setting up will be directly inflicted on the next two or three generations, as the global population evolves in the face of sever resource constraints.

      We’re looking at a highly acute crisis, geologically speaking.

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        We’re talking about human-accelerated climate change here. We’re not talking about naturally-occurring events.

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        Even then, humanity is incredibly robust as a species. We’ll have human descendants running around on the planet for a million more years.

        Yeah… Humans survived the last ice age. And that was with extremely limited technology, and a lot fewer of us to start with.

        Extreme climate change might kill a lot of humans, but some of us will find a way to survive it. How much of our culture, civilization, and technology will survive to come out the other side is another question.