• Daniel Quinn@lemmy.ca
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    4 days ago

    I love it. It makes sense if your goal is to improve the lives of the public and save money long term.

    What it doesn’t do is improve GDP (this would actually have a negative effect) or enrich more billionaires. That sort of thing doesn’t tend to play well in this country.

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        4 days ago

        To be fair, I say this not to demotivate you, but to point out that the problem isn’t innovation, or money, or as many in this country seem to think, immigrants. It’s not even landlords.

        The problem is that we’ve organised our society around the wrong incentives. If we’re serious about fixing this problem (and I think your “NIS” is a great idea!) we have to approach it with the understanding that building an NIS must start ith abandoning our bad models and ridiculing those that insist it can be done within the existing system.

        We don’t necessarily need a communist revolution, but we do need to be honest about Why We Can’t Have Nice Things and begin the work of building systems that allow for them while dismantling ones that prevent them.

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        4 days ago

        I’m sure it’s the fault of the Romanian and Slovakian cleaners, or the family who run the takeaway place I pop into late at night when I’m stumbling home from the Witherspoon’s

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        3 days ago

        You’re ignoring the GDP effects of constant consumption in the form of gas. GDP is not a measure of quality of life, let alone a good economy. It goes down as you reduce consumption.

        Heat pumps are a one time, up front cost, and their installation & maintenance is minor compared to the massive, 24hour spend on running a fossil economy.

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          3 days ago

          Well, UK only produces about 50% of it’s fossil fuels, so… the other half does not contribute to it’s GDP. Factors in climate change harm to GDP and fossil fuel effects on health. Yeah…

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        3 days ago

        Yeah, I don’t think the cost of energy used for heating/cooling contributes to GDP (or if it does, that’s dumb).

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          3 days ago

          It does, and it’s one of the reasons GDP is a dumb measure for quality of life. One of the primary factors for measuring GDP is consumption, so if as a society you start growing more food locally, sharing childcare among family, or just choose to repair what’s broken rather than buy more plastic crap, your GDP craters in the face of all of these.