Voting democrat in 2008 gave me and many other Americans healthcare that I would have struggled or been impoverished without. That’s better than voting Republican or not voting would have gotten me.
Voting Democrat in 2020 removed Trump from the White House. I cannot imagine the hell we would be in right now if we were entering his 10th year as president instead of the 6th.
I’ll continue to vote Democrat until there’s a better viable option. I’m not going to leave my future up to the rest of America. I would like a say in what happens to me, even if it’s not ever going to be exactly what I want.
Well clearly voting Democrat never improved your reading comprehension. I never said don’t vote for them. I said if that’s all you’re doing and you expect it to get better, you’re not paying attention.
You questioned if voting Democrat will make things better
I gave examples of how it already has
You pivoted and said “I never said don’t vote for them”. Which I never accused you of saying
Then I pointed that out and now you’re confused and think I’m a bot.
If you agree voting for Democrats is better than voting for Republicans, what is the point of anything you’re saying? It definitely isn’t to convince more people that voting for Democrats is better than voting for Republicans.
Because you’re throwing around non-sequiturs. I never said anything about how I thought anyone should vote. You, me or anyone else. I was pretty clear that voting dem would at least stop the mayhem from getting worse. What I said was they will likely not be able to make anything better. And they won’t.
Even their signature accomplishment in the last 20 years, which you are pointing to was a fragment of what they set out to do. They watered down their own bill for zero reason, because it won no support from the Republicans and was almost immediately undermined and rapidly demolished. They have policy statements even their own caucus doesn’t universally agree to, and likely can’t pass a bill on even if they win both chambers in a landslide. While individuals within the party may stand for some things, the party as a whole doesn’t stand for anything. Except “not this” which, is not nothing, but it’s not going to fix anything.
If people want things to get better voting is not going to get you there. Organizing and activism are the only ways to even begin to rebuild, because trusting Congress to accomplish anything is an exercise in futility. Every incentive and system and procedure is working against the kind of action necessary to change course. If people don’t do the work themselves to fix things, and expect voting to even begin to make things better, they are going to be deeply disappointed. At the end of the day, Congress exists to solicit funds from donors. Not to make life better for people.
Buddy no one has argued against activism or organizing here. You’re acting like I don’t understand that. This whole time I’ve just been confused why you felt to make the point at all, because no one said anything about only voting and calling it good. Some people do behave that way, but no one you’re talking to in this thread is arguing against you on that point. You’re being incessant about making a point no one is disagreeing with.
Voting democrat in 2008 gave me and many other Americans healthcare that I would have struggled or been impoverished without. That’s better than voting Republican or not voting would have gotten me.
Voting Democrat in 2020 removed Trump from the White House. I cannot imagine the hell we would be in right now if we were entering his 10th year as president instead of the 6th.
I’ll continue to vote Democrat until there’s a better viable option. I’m not going to leave my future up to the rest of America. I would like a say in what happens to me, even if it’s not ever going to be exactly what I want.
It also led to hundreds or thousands of innocents being drone struck by Obama.
Well clearly voting Democrat never improved your reading comprehension. I never said don’t vote for them. I said if that’s all you’re doing and you expect it to get better, you’re not paying attention.
I never said you didn’t vote for them. I never mentioned your vote at all. I mentioned mine.
What’s that about reading comprehension?
That sentence doesn’t even make sense in regards to the conversation. Who are you arguing with? Is this a bot?
You questioned if voting Democrat will make things better
I gave examples of how it already has
You pivoted and said “I never said don’t vote for them”. Which I never accused you of saying
Then I pointed that out and now you’re confused and think I’m a bot.
If you agree voting for Democrats is better than voting for Republicans, what is the point of anything you’re saying? It definitely isn’t to convince more people that voting for Democrats is better than voting for Republicans.
Are you a bot?
Because you’re throwing around non-sequiturs. I never said anything about how I thought anyone should vote. You, me or anyone else. I was pretty clear that voting dem would at least stop the mayhem from getting worse. What I said was they will likely not be able to make anything better. And they won’t.
Even their signature accomplishment in the last 20 years, which you are pointing to was a fragment of what they set out to do. They watered down their own bill for zero reason, because it won no support from the Republicans and was almost immediately undermined and rapidly demolished. They have policy statements even their own caucus doesn’t universally agree to, and likely can’t pass a bill on even if they win both chambers in a landslide. While individuals within the party may stand for some things, the party as a whole doesn’t stand for anything. Except “not this” which, is not nothing, but it’s not going to fix anything.
If people want things to get better voting is not going to get you there. Organizing and activism are the only ways to even begin to rebuild, because trusting Congress to accomplish anything is an exercise in futility. Every incentive and system and procedure is working against the kind of action necessary to change course. If people don’t do the work themselves to fix things, and expect voting to even begin to make things better, they are going to be deeply disappointed. At the end of the day, Congress exists to solicit funds from donors. Not to make life better for people.
Buddy no one has argued against activism or organizing here. You’re acting like I don’t understand that. This whole time I’ve just been confused why you felt to make the point at all, because no one said anything about only voting and calling it good. Some people do behave that way, but no one you’re talking to in this thread is arguing against you on that point. You’re being incessant about making a point no one is disagreeing with.
You deserve the representation you have.
So do all Americans.