• DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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    Good news: with every passing day, it’s becoming more and more obvious that capitalism is fundamentally incompatible with democracy and ecology.

    Bad news: we’re still about to pass environmental thresholds that will have irreversible consequences, and likely lead to an ecological catastrophe.

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      I mean you say “becoming increasingly clear” but it’s been clear as day for about two centuries for socialists. Any progress happening now on that front is just retaking lost ground.

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        I think it became clear when the oil companies had their internal climate scientist prove it was them, and had that information leaked, and I believe that research was done 30 or 40 years ago?

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        Ah yes, all those socialist climatologists from the 1800s were warning of climate disaster.

        (Just pointing out that their wording specifically referenced the environment and it was in response to an article about climate change)

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          I mean that’s fair, but it’s also a nitpick since I’m clearly referring to the democracy part of their comment.

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            I wasn’t trying to nitpick, just saying they made a decent point. Regardless of who else knew capitalism was harmful, science being a new indicator of that fact is significant.

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        Two centuries of worry from socialists and we’re still where we’re at. They seem pretty fucking useless, ngl.

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            Seems like smugly dismissing people as ignorant and stupid is an ignorant and stupid way of creating change. No points for good thoughts and no action!

            • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              I’ve taken plenty of actions on top of voting. E.g. helped set up a local community food sharing network, volunteer my time on an anarchist community, built my own house, grow my own vegetables, and try my best to support leftist candidates. How about yourself?

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            I don’t, thank you for 200 years of concern for climate change. Well spent!

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      Really? Can you point to a democracy that has done much of note that doesn’t have an economic system based on free market capitalism?

      NASA spearheaded the tech behind megawatt wind turbines. Bell Laboratories built the first practical silicon photovoltaic cell. England and the US perfected Hydroelectricity.

      Unbridled capitalism is the problem. Well regulated and taxed free market capitalism has proven it’s self quite well.

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        Really? Can you point to a democracy that has done much of note that doesn’t have an economic system based on free market capitalism?

        *points to a bombed-out shell of a city*

        *points to a council massacred by some suspiciously well-armed drug gangs*

        *points to a nation that has survived centuries of economic siege*

        For some reason, wealthy liberal democracies get kind of angry whenever you try something other than strictly regulated neocolonial capitalism.

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          Can you be specific where you are pointing as I can find all that stuff in countries that were attacked or interfered with by non wealthy liberal democracies…

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        The core problem here is that unbridled capitalism has a very strong tendency to emerge from well regulated capitalism, because the rich won’t stop until they’ve turned the former into the latter. It’s a stopgap measure but it doesn’t fix anything on a long timescale. Case in point: The developed world today.

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          And authoritarianism seems to develop from poorly implemented big S socialism. Humans are quite good at thwarting any system to their own benefit…

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        What? You mean global cartels controlling a plurality (if not majority) of the world’s wealth break the free market? Say it ain’t so!

        Seriously, getting everybody to forget the basic fact that the fossil fuel industry is a cartel is one of the first priorities of the fossil fuel industry’s propaganda playbook. This article might as well be written by one of their FUD propagandists.

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          Cartels are natural parts of capitalism, I don’t know why you’re pretending they’re somehow not capitalist for using the mechanisms of capitalism to gain control of capital.

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              Nobody said that, I’m simply pointing out that cartels are part of capitalism, free market or no, and don’t “break” anything. They’re an inevitable consequence of the system.