The domain https://fediverse.observer/ redirects to sedo now.

On October 11th these two commits where made to the repo:

this will be my final release, glad to have contributed since 2011 to some fediverse stats, https://fedidb.com/ is a great resource with more interest

this software is no longer developed

Sad to have lost such a great resource.

  • Vicinus@piefed.zipEnglish
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    1 day ago

    Topic Feeds are already user-customizable and shareable, so why not block lists?

    I never made that connection, but yeah, this could be much easier to implement than I was thinking.

    Admiral Patrick’s toxicity filter went behind people’s backs and did such opaquely, but when handled transparently and with full informed consent that would be an entirely different story. And then people could choose like no filter, minimal or maximal filtering, or perhaps some intermediary steps between those.

    Yeah, I could see this being a few easy setting/feature addition.

    It’s been like 3 years. I for one have lost hope …

    Understandable.

    Some issues remain, like instance blocking does so without informing the recipient, who gets essentially shadow-blocked by the recipient. But that is not something fixable by PieFed alone, and would require cooperation with Lemmy to receive the signal and pass it on to the affected users in whatever way they chose.

    My understanding is that this was set up that way to prevent harassment. I’m not knowledge on the subject so could be wrong.

    No actually there is - Rimu converted many Lemm.ee communities over to PieFed.social (I forget if they lost access to modify their older content, or perhaps if they messaged him before lemm.ee went fully down from their old account then he could take that as proof of ownership and grant such access), and Quokka has converted fully from Lemmy to PieFed and then from PieFed to PyLova, so aside from Rimu are the preeminent experts in such conversions. With Rimu’s community migration tools and Quokka’s experience, communities on Lemmy are not held hostage, anymore.

    My understanding was that it “worked”. As in it was haphazard and a very manual effort to get what did happen to work.

    Not the same thing, but die4ever@retrolemmy.com and I tried to save the past posts of ecospheres@mander.xyz to piefed.zip after mander.xyz went down. It didn’t work, I (on piefed.zip) could see the old mander.xyz posts, but no one else on any other instances could. I also had a problem with adding mods to the new piefed.zip community (lemmy mods couldn’t be added, non-piefed.zip mods couldn’t be made owner).

    So, while I expect it can be done, I don’t think it’s an easy, straightforward, or automated process to move software or even communities. I know my example was not a 1-to-1 typical move, so if you have any counter-examples please let me know (I can utilize them for the !fedigrow@lemmy.zip wiki).

    Otoh, Rimu himself is personally quite opinionated on certain matters, and rarely but decidedly goes against community push-back to enact his own agendas.

    I am quite aware of Rimu’s nature (he and I had discussions in the past).

    Rimu lost a lot of trust in his handling of that situation.

    Agreed and I would say he’s lost a lot of trust many times at this point (I used to be one of his biggest cheerleaders).

    Of course there is the PyLova fork, but it is extremely new, so I would wager that people are taking stock of it and seeing how it will shake out.

    I suspect so. I mentioned it to the piefed.zip admins, so they are at least aware of it. But I suspect there won’t be any piefed -> pylova conversions anytime soon, unless Rimu screws up big (again).

    … all the more so since most 3rd-party apps only nominally support PieFed much less PyLova.

    I believe their is an official Piefed app coming (https://fedidb.com/software/compare?software=lemmy%2Cmbin%2Cpiefed). Assuming it’s open source, presumably the other partially Piefed compatible apps could utilize the “Piefed Official App” 's code to improve compatibility within their own apps. I’m certainly going to suggest it to the voyager Dev when the “official app” comes out.

    The technology has to get better if we want to bring people here. Which I suppose it is, but at a pace that is exceedingly frustrating.

    Agreed, but not sure we should expect more. FOSS is generally slow moving, due to it being small, part-time teams. I’m in a place where I can help support FOSS financially, but I know that is not an option for everyone, plus it’s a new consideration/viewpoint for people coming from corporate/proprietary software (where they are the product).

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
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      20 hours ago

      That is sad to hear that mander hasn’t come back yet - I guess it’s still waiting to see if something can be resolved, since the backups weren’t recent.

      But it is even more sad to hear that Rimu’s community migration tool isn’t working, on other instances without his direct involvement. Some of what you said makes sense to me though, like a community “owner” must be located on the instance where it is housed - if that were not the case then the system would be vulnerable to all sorts of spam where any bot could spin up communities on any instance, so some level of accountability must be maintained.

      I suspect the official PieFed app will be Blorp, just from the way that Rimu talked about it iirc. It’s chief competition is Interstellar, although that was designed more for Mbin with PieFed just being thrown into the mix.

      The need to support FOSS is partially one reason why we aren’t growing, and I don’t mean the actual funds, but the enormous complexity of figuring out who to send them to. Dessalines & Nutomic? Rimu? PyLova? Voyager? Blorp? Perhaps at the end of the day it does not matter as we had fun in contributing to the development of the Threadiverse overall, but to new joiners it’s definitely very daunting - it’s far easier to pay Reddit and then get Reddit coins back in exchange. Though arguably less profitable when it merely buys you the chance to argue with bots. Yet… an enormous fraction of our own traffic here are reposting bots, often from Reddit, so is this truly “better”, enough to convince some of them to make the switch? That’s the rub - they would be buying into the future, just as Reddit kept telling them, and likely still tells them now (Reddit-trained & integrated AI will be so great…).

      • Vicinus@piefed.zipEnglish
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        7 hours ago

        That is sad to hear that mander hasn’t come back yet - I guess it’s still waiting to see if something can be resolved, since the backups weren’t recent.

        But it is even more sad to hear that Rimu’s community migration tool isn’t working, on other instances without his direct involvement.

        Agreed.

        Some of what you said makes sense to me though, like a community “owner” must be located on the instance where it is housed - if that were not the case then the system would be vulnerable to all sorts of spam where any bot could spin up communities on any instance, so some level of accountability must be maintained.

        Hmm. I see what your saying. I was thinking more someone on the instance would be required to make the community, but could hand it off to a user on another instance. I think you are right though, a user on the instance should be forced to be “owner”, as it doesn’t take much work to create a new account and they can always add their other instance username as a mod and run the community via that (never really needing to log into username of the instance the community is on again). Only issue I see is, people DMing the “owner” username that is not monitored, but I suppose that could just be stated in the sidebar and/or user profile.

        I suspect the official PieFed app will be Blorp, just from the way that Rimu talked about it iirc.

        I can’t recall any specific source tied to that thought, but that sounds right. Guess we’ll see.

        … it’s far easier to pay Reddit and then get Reddit coins back in exchange.

        Haha, sadly very true.

        … an enormous fraction of our own traffic here are reposting bots, often from Reddit, …

        I just saw a post that Reddit changed something to block reposting bots again and Lemmit is tired of trying to figure out a workaround and is going to shut down next year when the domain subscription ends. So, potentially fewer reposts in the future.

        As a bit of an aside, JohnnyEnzyme @piefed.social just told me about a posting technique that worked well for him utilizing past Reddit posts with their best comments to create interaction in the threadiverse (his comment). So, we may lose repost bots (no great loss in my mind), but if people start taking more from Reddit and curating it personally, I think that could be a great exchange.

        Edit: As an update I added a feature request to Pylova’s Codeburg about the subscribable block lists. We’ll see if they’re interested.