cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/66087691
The International Olympic Committee will prohibit transgender athletes from participating in women’s sports, starting at the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
The new policy, approved by the IOC’s executive committee Thursday, requires all athletes to undergo a genetic test to compete in women’s sporting events at the Olympics.
Can trans men compete in women’s events?
T would be considered performance enhancing, but if they haven’t taken any then probably yes?
Probably not, whatever hormones they’re taking will almost certainly viewed as performance enhancing.
Nothing specifically prohibits it, weird how that works
Is this even controversial? There’s a reason men and women sports were separated to begin with.
Trans women aren’t men.
They used to be, and that’s the issue at hand.
Hi trans woman here! HRT will make your muscle mass the same or even worse than cis women (meaning cis women are typically stronger than trans women.) Even still trans people participated in the Olympics for a very long time, since it was founded actually! It’s a relatively new rule to disallow trans people in the Olympics and you want to know why? Nazis! That’s right! If you support trans people not participating in the Olympics: you’re sympathizing with fucking Nazis!
TLDR: There’s no proof of trans people being stronger than cis people, boycott Olympics till they did their shit, Transphobic policies were made and enforced by Nazis.
Muscle mass is just one of the potential advantages that were considered in enacting this ban, and I think you know that.
Since you seem to be arguing this point in genuine good faith, and that’s increasingly rare, I wonder what your opinion would be of a woman with a genetic mutation which causes her to produce elevated testosterone, wanting to participate in women’s sports.
Keep in mind, this genetic mutation, which does happen to cisgender women, has a measurable effect on these women’s athletic performance.
This is not a gotcha question, and I’m not trying to trick you. Just genuinely curious
The whole point of the Olympics is people who are the absolute pinnacle of human ability competing against each other. If they were genuinely born like that, then that’s just how things go, just like how some people are taller or stronger than others.
I’d ask a question as well, if most strength dominated women’s sports end up being won by trans men would you be surprised?
Assuming Nike is throwing money at them for sponsorships and the like do you not assume men will be attracted to that, and top level women’s sports leaders will end up being entirely trans men?
Yeah the main and real reason is political bull shit, there’s no physical or mental advantage. If you really want to be “fair” in physical sense then make a weight class not a gender separation. Only mentioned muscle mass as that’s the main “argument” people can come up with to cope with the rule even though it’s fucking pointless.
I’ve said it before and say it again, it’s a Nazi imposed rule and those who agree/abide are Nazi sympathizing transphobes or transphobic dumb asses who don’t know basic biology or history.
Let’s not go the route of calling everyone who disagrees with you a nazi, it devalues the term.
And having weight classes for something like track and field events is absurd, especially at the Olympics, which is supposed to be the best in the world doing what they do.
It’s arguable whether that’s a good idea but even if you give it the benefit of the doubt trans women don’t have an advantage after hormone therapy at least not huge all evidence shows this also this plan also discriminates heavily against intersex people or even women with certain genetic conditions.
“At least not huge” or “don’t have an advantage”? Because those mean completely different things.
The reasons we separate sports by gender are and have always been stupid
This site is absolutely cooked sometimes.
In most sports, men have an advantage due to physical size, it’s why sports often have a women’s and an open category.
Creating meaningful competition is why we have these categories.
Advantage based on physical size is resolved by separating competitors based on size, not gender, fucking duh
Except that studies show that outof men and women of the same exact size women are 52% as strong as men in the upper body and 66% as strong as men in the lower body.
The link you posted doesn’t say anything you’re claiming, you’re bad at this
He’s from ML, poor chap. Facts just confuse them.
Learn to read
Probably will be downvoted into oblivion but I’m going to disagree with you. The trans argument is a separate one but having some sex separated sports absolutely makes sense. There are undeniable biological differences physically between biological males and females. Height and weight class would make 0 sense because bone and muscle density is still different, and distributed differently as an aggregate. I think most people who say this stuff don’t actually play sports.
You’re gonna be downvoted because you’ve put zero thought or effort into your argument. There are undeniable physical differences between humans regardless of dominant sex hormone, separating sports by gender necessarily forces members of both groups to compete against people that they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of beating. Tall women have a massive advantage over short men and short women, the smart thing to do is let people compete with other people that are actually physically comparable. Tiny men vs tiny women is fair, giant women vs giant men is fair. The bone/muscle density thing is bullshit, simple as.
Do you have a source about the bone/muscle density thing being bullshit?
I noticed you told another commentor “anything is possible when you make shit up” so we really should be backing things we say up with sources in that case, right?
Do you have a source for it being true? Nobody else here does
The second half of that really sounds like a kink thing.
Weird thing to say/think
bone and muscle density is still different, and distributed differently
I think people who say things like this don’t actually know any post- or even mid-transition people.
I don’t think you actually read my comment fully or you would know that I wasn’t talking about trans athletes at all really. Respectfully read carefully before having a knee jerk reaction. Also for the record (although the I have {insert marginalized group here} friends card is stupid) one of my closest friends in college who was alsomy roommate was trans…
“Biological males and females” are words that, right or wrong, have flown forth along with a great deal of spittle from the mouth of a transphobe in an effort to strip even more rights from trans people. After all, are trans people not biological? Biological women and synthetic women?
Dumb
You’d think it’d be by weight or some other performance metric with women dominating at the lighter end of the spectrum.
They do exactly this in boxing, and probably other fighting sports.
The thing is, people tend to take up sports their body type is suited to, so short people don’t tend to play a sport where being tall is an advantage for long.
Short people don’t generally play basketball because nobody organizes leagues into separate categories by height, if you did they would
Sure bud.
Good one
There are smaller amd lighter men. They will be stronger and faster than equally sized or even slightly larger women of similar body sizes. The body simply grows differently.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
What’s your source that its made up?
Because the same exact medical science that gives you HRT is supporting what he is saying.
Nothing in this agrees with what you’re saying, you are either genuinely illiterate or a profoundly incompetent liar, embarassing either way
Then they have successfully found where they rank in a mixed field.
Height & weight would make more sense, yeah
People tend to take up sports they’re suited to though, and nobody wants to watch a bunch of shortasses doing a sport badly. At least not at the Olympics.
Basing the rules of competetive sports on what the audience wants is fucking moronic, make the rules fair and logical and if the viewers don’t like it they can get off the couch and go play sports about it
You do understand that professional sport relies on sponsorship, which in turn relies on people watching?
People will watch it either way, sponsors will pay either way, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
After a long time on hormone therapy the difference goes away.
It does not completely erase all pre existing differences. Differences in skeletal structure, such as bone size, hip width, and height, are generally not changed by HRT, especially if it is started after puberty, although the density of those bones can be significantly improved.
