• [object Object]@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    14 hours ago

    I acknowledge that the Democrats have issues, didn’t acknowledge the whole genocide situation, and refused to field good candidates in favour of establishment ones.

    But not voting against the guy who (known at the time) was going to make Gaza worse, had let millions of Americans die to Covid, ripped up alliances, planned to persecute trans and gay people, “mass deportations now”, “dictator on day one”, was a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, likely a core member of the Epstein ring, and tried to overthrow the US government is fucking insane.

    I get that the dems used Trump to hold right wing policy at ransom, but I still cannot believe of the two options anyone would choose not to vote. Especially when it was known to be close.

    • SailorFuzz@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      14 hours ago

      Youre attributing to malicious indifference what is more than likely just ignorance.

      Youre mistaking your political involvement to be the standard as though everyone knows and understands the history of Israel/Palestine. Most people barely understand their own countries history. Most people don’t understand economics or markets or politics. Its not their thing.

      A lot of people are just not engaged with politics. And you can argue that’s a position of privilege, but its also one of their ignorance. They’re not as interested in it as we are here, that doesnt automatically mean they’re uncaring evil enablers.

      You can make the case that they should be more involved. But they’re not hearing evidence and then willfully not acting on it… they’re not hearing anything. And if your position is “those people are the enemy” they’re never going to hear you.

      • grue@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        13 hours ago

        I don’t give a fuck what their bullshit excuse was. At this point – or at any point since at least 2020 – not knowing what Trump is is civic negligence. He attempted a coup, for fuck’s sake!

        Non voters are motherfucking fascist collaborators and they deserve to be treated like collaborators!

        • SailorFuzz@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          13 hours ago

          Cool, totally sane person.

          All youre doing is telling the those ignorant people that your position is judgemental and angry. Amd they’re going to respond with “well I don’t wanna associate with those people”

          You can’t shame someone into your moral position. Gay conversion therapy have been trying that for years. It doesnt work. It mostly just build animosity.

          Youre doing the right a favor by making the left look so unappealing.

          • grue@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            13 hours ago

            Fuck all the way off trying to compare people who can’t be bothered to have even a shred of the most basic common decency and sense of responsibility as citizens to victims of conversion “therapy!” What the fuck is wrong with you?!

            The “you made me turn fascist by being a meanie” excuse is weak-ass invalid nonsense and you fucking know it.

            • DrPop@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              12 hours ago

              I think what the other user is trying to tell you is that the delivery of your message is just as important as the message itself. Shame doesn’t work, it just makes them defensive and dig in. It takes conversations not shit slinging.

            • SailorFuzz@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              13 hours ago

              Put it to you this way. I agree with probably most of your views, but the way youre talking to me, I dont want to have anything to do with you either…