I cannot see a way out of this for Starmer. Extremely poor judgement or a willingness to turn a blind eye. Either way it’s bad.

  • Zombie@feddit.uk
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    What’s that got to do with anything?

    You stated they were a left government, many people corrected you and you argued with all of them that you’re right and they’re wrong.

    Now that I’ve provided sources you’re changing the topic? Get over your ego.

    I like you, my vote tally has you sitting on +34, but take a minute and think beyond trying to win an argument.

    How can you expect any form of left unity when you argue blue in the face that an explicitly not left government is so. Are we supposed to prop up our enemy at all times because there’s a worse guy waiting in the shadows?

    The ratchet effect has been ongoing since the 70s and now we must pretend that an explicitly not left party is left as well? Where will that lead us? How will that affect the Overton window? How can we expect to make progress when discourse gets shut down because we’re not showing enough solidarity to people that explicitly don’t show us solidarity because they’re explicitly opposed to our views?

    The modern day Labour party are not left wing. Nothing to do with the spectrum of liberal or authoritarian but the spectrum of economic policy.

    Labour are both authoritarian and right wing.

    And the left are expected to back them?

    We have FPTP, yes. But we’re not a two party state like America either. Our only options aren’t Labour or Tory, akin to Democrat or Republican. The Lib Dems were power brokers in 2010, the DUP were power brokers in 2017. The Greens and Your Party have both made mention of working together to prevent standing candidates against each other. The SNP are also likely to work with a Green and Your Party alliance, as they have allied with the Scottish Greens in the past (who are more left wing than the GPEW).

    If we continue voting for right wing authoritarians we will never make progress. Regardless of whether they wear blue or red. Regardless of whether they’re explicitly racist or not. Regardless of whether they’re explicitly pro-aristocrats or not.

    Labour were captured in the 90s. There was no viable alternative for left wingers to go then though and there were still many lefties within the rank and file of the party. Starmer has made sure to purge most of that since Corbyn left. They only thing left about them now is legacy, branding, and reputation. Don’t let the bastards win.

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      I’m just going to try to protect the reputation I have with you.

      • I have seen actions taken by the Starmer led Labour party that are in line with economic left wing values.
      • I am not in a state recently where I can bust my ass remembering them and looking up the evidence for it.
      • I have consistently voted 3rd party in the uk, tried to convince others to do the same etc.
      • I have left the UK because not only were the conservatives stoking racist fires, labour were not going to do a fucking thing to roll back dragnet surveillance (in fact, literally made it worse!)
      • I want people to not devolve into the same shit flinging , purity test laden crap that’s happening in the US to also happen in the UK so that Farage gets the country instead. because of the first point, I want people to give credit to labour the way they didn’t for the left wing actions taken by the Biden government in the US, and for the same thing (switch to fascism) to not happen in the UK.

      Sorry about not citing reference, try again in a few weeks.