Why are distro communities turning linux more and more into Windows and Mac OS clones?
This is why I use Arch.
Friends don’t let friends use Manjaro
Use EndeavourOS or another Arch derivative instead.
Opt out telemetry is annoying. There’s no guarantee it doesn’t send before I’ve had a chance to disable.
I’m usually a defender of opt-out telemetry in Linux, what with it usually being trivial to untick in the installer, the telemetry not being invasive, the telemetry being private and not being able to identify people, it being used to actually benefit Linux rather than make money, and because opt-in telemetry is useless (as repeatedly stated by multiple Linux projects that I trust, such as KDE and Gnome)…
That said, holy shit this telemetry collects stuff it really should not be collecting. This is not what Linux telemetry should be. Doubly so from a distro with a troubled past in terms of management and security. This is a red flag.
I was just getting used to using Manjaro for my dev machines due to rolling release. Gotta find new flavor now.
Well Debian doesn’t have a rolling distro, does it?
It was something that underpinned your choice and now it’s not. I’m not sure why you said gotta find when you already knew the answer.
It kind of does, if you count testing / sid.
Because telemetry as implemented and spying are in fact very very different, and conflating the two is why “noone cares about privacy”. When your giant conspiracy wall is “Manjaro knows a user in north America clicked on the start menu more often then typing into a quick search box” and you refer to that as spying, you hurt the actual cause you claim to support. Badly.
The same is true for Microsoft, ive been asking for years for any concrete proof of spying a normal human would care about and what I usually get is the Microsoft terms of use, a legal document that reflects reality less than the average legal document, and the average legal document is basically covering your eyes and hoping nobody sues you.
And because I think the correct way to dick swing in this community is as follows…I also use arch 🍆 (well endeavour, but I think I still get dick swinging credits)
Counterpoint; it’s really none of their business to know how often I click on something, and neither do I want them to have the ability to figure that out either because there is no reason to assume that those are the only data points they can get their grubby hands on.
If there is no reasonable way for me to differentiate between spying and telemetry, I rather wish they couldn’t do either.
Oh, you can vote whether it should be opt-in or opt-out.
Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.Anyway, I may stop donating to Manjaro due to this. Now I just go with Arch anyway.
archinstalleven makes it quick to setup a VM.I had a forum account from long ago that I barely use and even I was able to vote … so if you had an account there, give it a try and vote!
Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.
I’ve found that some people use Linux just to be apart of the “cool tech kids” on the internet. They don’t understand how to use a CLI, what kernel level access is, what a kernel is, or even how Linux actually works as opposed to Windows/Mac.
I think Manjaro was made for them. It’s like the MLM version of a Linux distro.
This is a “cool tech kid” opinion. Linux is for EVERYONE. Let’s not gatekeep it. Having GUI tools and stuff that is so easy to use that tech-illiterate people can use Linux is a great thing.
Are you trying to gatekeep Linux to only power users that use a CLI, are way above the average in computer literacy, and happen to know the nuances between Linux and other operating systems?
This is the kind of thinking that will prevent adoption to the masses. Linux doesn’t have to be stupid hard to use. There are specific distros like vanilla Arch for advanced users to tinker with and options like Manjaro and Ubuntu that are ideally functional out of the box for those that just want something to work.
What Manjaro is doing here is dumb AF, and should rightfully be heavily criticized, but you statement feels like your saying you should have to be a computer expert to use any Linux distro, and that’s dumb.
These fuckers want to prevent adoption of Linux to the masses. They hate the very idea of someone new asking questions.
This is the kind of thinking that will prevent adoption to the masses.
Why do people always assume that is even something desirable? All that will get us is more requests for support with fewer people actually helping.
Linux doesn’t have to be stupid hard to use.
And the assumption that GUI=easy and CLI=hard should have really died in the 90s when it started.
As someone who read at least 2/3 of the DOS 6 manual when it came out, and have used a variety of Linux flavors as well, a command prompt is the least helpful interface devised. What do you type there? How do you let the computer know when you’re done typing? If the answers seem obvious to you, think about why, and what on the screen would point you that way if you hadn’t had training. People are very visual, in general, and a simple interface such as a mouse that directs focus and has a minimal amount of interaction options is far easier to get started with, especially if the GUI has culturally intuitive icons (save needs updating).
I don’t think the power of the command line, or text interfaces in general, can be overstated, but even the most helpful text interfaces, such as those found in some IDEs, require prior knowledge to be useful. This isn’t going to work for the majority of people.
If you think GUI is intuitive you have never worked in support and despaired at people trying their best to get “simple” concepts like “left-click” vs. “right-click” wrong.
Oh, I have. Now imagine giving those people a command line.
At least there’s only a single way to tell the computer “ok, execute this command”. And you see the command written in plain text before you.
And, no, no useful interface is intuitive because computers just have too many functions. There’s no intuitive appliance in the world with more than a temperature knob and a timer knob. Knowledge is always required, be that cultural or by RTFM.
It is literally easier to explain to them how to do something on the command line than in a GUI, both in documentation and over the phone. That doesn’t mean they will ever discover how to do something in either interface on their own but I don’t really expect that from the people who make paper notes of the step-by-step process in GUI workflows anyway.
Great…Right now, when I was thinking about finally installing Manjaro (I saw its for noobs, pretty well designed, i’m tired of “power users” distros). What else then? I used EOS, it was buggy sometimes errors etc., I use cachyOS and all the time errors and problems, but i just don’t care anymore, Ubuntu is corporate’s shit, maybe Mint or Fedora? Actually, I kinda liked flatpak recently, maybe I could live without AUR he? But on the other hand I need this rolling release cycle, thats why I hoped Manjaro is such “stable arch”, I’m nvidia user…
EndeavorOS is what you want, fits the same niche but without being fucking Manjaro. :-)
Well I tried, it was better than cachyOS now, but still it was not so for noobs, i had to fix many problems using it
Oh boy looks like my weekend will be spend learning and trying to install Arch without a graphical installer. To be fair Manjaro on my laptop was my first try at Arch. I never thought how much I will come to like AUR.
EndevaourOS is already on my gaming rig so plain Arch for my laptop seems like a good challenge. Farewell Manjaro, I learned a lot
After you figure out how to properly partition your disk, you learn how the entire setup is actually quite simple Basically, Mount partitions, pacstrap to install the base system, generate fstab, chroot in, create a unprivileged user and add it to sudo, setup grub, configure internet, exit chroot and unmount, reboot into the newly installed system, configure X11/Wayland to your liking
Installing Arch is a lot easier than fixing a bad Manjaro update. I get that it’s intimidating, but it’s really quite easy if you can follow instructions, but budget a couple hours your first time because you’ll probably second-guess everything. The second time should be more like 30 min.
'Till you figure out that, on Arch, if you missed/broke anything, you can boot into the Arch USB, mount your root into /mnt, and arch-chroot in to fix whatever is broken
Yup, a live image works in a pinch. IMO, just use BTRFS on root and install something like snapper to handle snapshots and you shouldn’t need the live USB (unless you bork your bootloader somehow).
Be me, and bork BTRFS itself while trying to compile OpenMW from source
How did you manage that??
There are things in this world you are not meant to fiddle with And apparently, glibc is one of 'em
Damn. I really liked manjaro
It’s like finding out your favorite YTber touches kids… feels bad man.
